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blkcorvair

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Hey Guys, It seems as if there are quite a few of those in here whom are racing in EMRA. Ive been poking around getting involved with my 76 when it's done instead of SCCA. I have a local in town who does tons of work for me and is willing to barter with me for his services in building me a cage. (I must say his work is quite impressive) Nevertheless this would be his first Spridget cage and I'd like to see what others are running so I can point him in the right direction. And tips, do's, don'ts, or pictures would be great! Thanks Guys.
 
Funny your should ask...I'm just finished building a cage. But for my ST-4 Escort.

The number one best way is to show up at one of our events and bring a camera, tape measure and take notes. That's what I'd really recommend.

Anyway, for my Spridget, I'm not that crazy about the own cage since it's sort of cobbled together from an existing roll bar.It's safe, but sort of clunky.

But I also drive a Sprite (#23) owned by my friend Pete, and I like his cage. He built it a few years ago. It should be at Pocono on Sept 8.
Keep in mind that you must use DOM tube (not ERW) and for a Spridget it should be 1-1/2 inches nominal OD. You can get away with 0.090" wall, but I'd use 0.125" because we're all just amateurs and have to get to our regular jobs on Monday morning....a little more protection can't hurt.

Mounting to chassis can be bolted (5/16" bolts that are Grade 5 minimum). Mounting plates should be 3/16" thick. You can also weld it in, but it can be a challenge to weld thin, unibody stamped steel to 3/16" plate. Most of the amateur jobs I see don't look great.....I'd prefer bolt-in unless your welder is a real artist.

Pete's car has a horizontal bar that goes from the right side halo bar to the middle of the dash. He has a switch panel mounted on it. I'd skip that part. He also has bars to the front shock mount area that stiffens the car...not a bad idea. My car is a rubber bumper chassis and has similar stamped steel members in that area.

Sitting in the car normally, you need 2" above the helmet for the overall cage. The rear part of Pete's cage is high. Pete and I don't need the extra height, but he built it with our pal Bruce in mind (Bruce is like 6'3").

Be sure to have a good shoulder belt mount. It's best exactly at shoulder lever and not too far back behind the seat (2" to 4" is good if you can do it). Generally, this is a horizontal bar that the shoulder belts loop around, but you can also weld plates to bolt the harness mounts to it.
Also, try to keep in mind an upper seat mount (for the seat back), since that's required for most seats.

A horizontal bar behind the dash connecting the two front down tubes is a good idea too.

You can bolt or weld the door shut but if you do, it can be a pain fixing thngs. #23 has it's oil filter and alternator in the right side passenger area, so the doors open and close for easy service.

And check the EMRA Car Prep guide (similar to SCCA).

https://www.emraracing.org/EMRARULE.HTM

Some of the other guys may want to chime in...that lots of ways to do this.

Here's pictures of Pete's car....this is all I have on hand.

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Nice pictures. Love the 'Midnight Auto Supply'
 
I took these for a friend caging his car. You can see in picture 262 that there is a single door car that has was cut out when the nascar bars were installed. The outer bar on the right side is just bolted in to pick up the door panel. I have plans to remove it and reinstall a hinged door.

https://www.spridget-tech.com/Pics/PICT0255.JPG
https://www.spridget-tech.com/Pics/PICT0256.JPG
https://www.spridget-tech.com/Pics/PICT0257.JPG
https://www.spridget-tech.com/Pics/PICT0258.JPG
https://www.spridget-tech.com/Pics/PICT0259.JPG
https://www.spridget-tech.com/Pics/PICT0260.JPG
https://www.spridget-tech.com/Pics/PICT0262.JPG
https://www.spridget-tech.com/Pics/PICT0263.JPG
 
Nial, what does DOM stand for/mean?
 
<u>D</u>rawn <u>O</u>ver <u>M</u>andrel, as opposed to ERW, which is just <u>E</u>lectrically <u>R</u>esistance <u>W</u>elded tubing.
ERW has an ugly weld seam on the ID, which can be a potential failure area. DOM, while welded, is drawn over a mandrel, smoothing that area, and stress relieving the tube.
Jeff
 
DOM= Drawn Over Mandrel Tubing. That Much I do Know. It's the requirement for both SCCA and EMRA. I Believe they still make ERW tubing cages for NHRA. But not around here anymore.

Guys Thank You for these great pictures. I hope to run into some of you up at Lime Rock in October. Unfortuantally I will be sending the car in for it's cage in two weeks so I won't get to see any of these up close but this guy makes some really impressive stuff. I'm sure if I point him in the right direction I can Expect greatness. Am using 1.5 X 0.125 DOM as I see that in most Spridgets. I spoke with Pete a few weeks ago and was even considering schleping this tub over to jersy to have 'em fab me a cage but the price and timing couln't be better. Thanks Guys for all the great input.
 
One last comment concerning Spridgets that I almost forgot.

You will notice that the halo bar (over the driver's head) on Pete's car is fixed to the "shelf" area in his car (actually, part of the inner fenders on his car...you can see it in the 3rd picture).
In my car, it's fixed to the "floor" in the area of the forward leaf spring mounts. I believe Chis's halo bar is mounted to the floor too.

There are two schools of thought on this, but basically, both methods are fine.
Mounting on the shelf area gives you a bit more freedom with the seat mounting, so I would probably do it that way if I was starting from scratch. But if you mount to the shelf, try to use a fairly large base plate to spread the load out.
 
One more thing to keep in mind, the SCCA now requires double door bars on both drivers and passenger sides. You should go to the SCCA website and download the new cage regulations. Take those along to the cage builder.
 
aeronca65t said:
I believe Chis's halo bar is mounted to the floor too.
The main hoop or halo on my car is mounted to the front of the parcel shelf just behind the bulkhead. There are reinforcing plates welded to the front spring hanger area, up the bulkhead and on top of the parcel shelf. The main hoop is then welded to that. There are also braces from the main hoop back to the wheel wells, again with reinforcing plates.
 
Here's a couple pictures of the cage we did in my FP car.
 

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blkcorvair said:
Now that is impressive. I do like the cage in the Blue / Yellow HP car on your website.

I thought I would share the picture with the rest of the crowd.
 

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Very Nice indeed. I hope you don't mind I showed this pic to my local shop and said "Make me This!"

I'm gonna need your assitance on an MGB Su to bolt up to a 1500 Manifold (Similar to Nial's #11) This winter. I'm Planning to run this engine I have til I can get a nice 1275 put together.
 
Sure go ahead on the cage design, you're welcome to copy it.

As for running HS4s on a 1500, you need a Euro spec intake and carbs, I don't have a line on this, check with the triumph guys like TS imports, ted may be able to find you one. I can build the carbs for you though, once you have the set up, I've got a HS4 carb cores, but you need the intake, linkages to make it all work.
 
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