Just sayin' ...

[NutmegCT]

The task is not to see what has never been seen before, but to think what has never been thought before about what we see every day.

Shroedinger

(Thank you, Bayless!)

 

[Basil]

The task is not to see what has never been seen before, but to think what has never been thought before about what we see every day.

Just be sure that if you share what you think that has never been thought about what you see everyday, that it conforms with accepted orthodoxy and consensus as defined by those who decide what is or is not misinformation.

 

[NutmegCT]

Galbraith: "The Conventional Wisdom" is often what is held in common by people who want to "fit the norm", whether the Wisdom is based on fact or not. It increases institutional and societal resistance to change.

Fortunately Nature gave us all brains, to inquire critically about what we see and hear. But now that AI is creeping into our worlds, we may find it easier to accept Conventional Wisdom, than to investigate it. Not sure about something? Just Google it, and look only at the first page of results.

OK - back to my cave.
Tom M.

 

[Basil]

Fortunately Nature gave us all brains, to inquire critically about what we see and hear. But now that AI is creeping into our worlds, we may find it easier to accept Conventional Wisdom, than to investigate it. Not sure about something? Just Google it, and look only at the first page of results.

Assume that the AI is not programed by people with their own agendas or innate bias.

 

[Bayless]

Assume that the AI is not programed by people with their own agendas or innate bias.

I think that will be the biggest problem with it.

 

[Basil]

I think that will be the biggest problem with it.

I’m certain it will be.

 

[NutmegCT]

Yup - just like the media today, and for 1000s of years before, what we see, hear, and read, is what someone else wants us to believe.

A merchant's advertising for his fish and fish sauce. Around 2000 years ago.

Run for the hills!

 

[Bayless]

A long time ago, before everyone could own their own computer, I worked for a national computer timesharing company. I had a customer, an OU professor, who was working on AI. His approach was not trying to program it or even teach it. Instead, he was designing computer games where the computer played both sides, with 2 separate programs trying to learn how to defeat the other. His favorite subject matter was "Lions and Christians." IIRC, his language of choice was LISP. I have looked at LISP and I can't argue with the popular description, "Lots of Insignificant Silly Parentheses." Not sure why I thought that would be worthwhile posting in a car forum.

 

[Basil]

Not sure why I thought that would be worthwhile posting in a car forum.

It’s ok, this is the pub!

 

[mikephillips]

I did see a story the other day where it was said they found an example if what could be considered "lying" by an AI. Seems it gave someone a false answer, they think to "please" the questioner. They found that the AI did have the correct information when asked another way by another person.

 

[NutmegCT]

Mike - AI is learning to "lie"? It sounds like AI is learning how to be a human. That should get us all to think twice before believing search engines and forum posts.

 

[Basil]

Mike - AI is learning to "lie"? It sounds like AI is learning how to be a human. That should get us all to think twice before believing search engines and forum posts.

100% AI is programmed by humans and the bias of the programmers will be injected into the results. Google is a good example - search on any given topic and I guarantee you that the top results you see are the ones that the Google programmers want you to see first.

 

[Gliderman8]

100% AI is programmed by humans and the bias of the programmers will be injected into the results. Google is a good example - search on any given topic and I guarantee you that the top results you see are the ones that the Google programmers want you to see first.

I thought the “top results” were there because advertisers paid $ to get search engines to show them at the top.

 

[Basil]

I thought the “top results” were there because advertisers paid $ to get search engines to show them at the top.

The ones that are marked ad, yes. The rest are ranked based on Googles algorithms with their bias built in.

 

[Gliderman8]

The ones that are marked ad, yes. The rest are ranked based on Googles algorithms with their bias built in.

Ok, that makes sense. Thanks for the explanation.

 

[JPSmit]

The ones that are marked ad, yes. The rest are ranked based on Googles algorithms with their bias built in.

How do I know this is true and not just your bias built in?

 

[Basil]

How do I know this is true and not just your bias built in?

You don't.

 

[NutmegCT]

As a kid, back when I did yard work for Socrates ... I learned he didn't have his own definition of truth. He only believed in questioning what others believed as truth, then make your own decision.

Right on, Socrates!

 

[waltesefalcon]

As a kid, back when I did yard work for Socrates ... I learned he didn't have his own definition of truth. He only believed in questioning what others believed as truth, then make your own decision.

Right on, Socrates!

He sounds like a threat to society. He should be arrested and brought before the authorities.

 

[NutmegCT]

The will of the powerful people shall not be ignored!