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Jaguar Saloon
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Why would you think there is anything wrong with the 420?? It has the 4.2 litre engine like the XJ6, the same IRS rear suspension, the same basic front suspension (without the rack and pinion), 2" SU carbs and it is shorter, narrower, lighter and faster than a comparable XJ6. My 420 fits in my garage with room to spare whilst my XJ40 barely fits.
It is not one of the large saloons and has about the same amount of wood as the XJ6 because of the vinyl dash surround. There were only about 15,000 of them made and most were for the UK market (including the Daimler version). Personally, I think it is a superior motorcar to the Mark II series as did the Police Departments around England as they dropped the Mark II in favor of the sister to the 420 -- the S-Type in 1967/1968. (Same car as the 420 -- different engine)
The 420 is a real sleeper in the Jaguar line. During the past 4 years, it has started to rise in popularity as well as price. If you are looking for a rising star in the Jaguar line -- this is it. One of the recent collector magazines I read at Barnes and Noble actually had both the 420 AND the 3.8 S listed at a higher price than the Mark II. I am not quite sure I would go that far, for the Mark II still remains the flagship of the small saloons. Having owned a Mark II and still owning an S-Type, a 420, an XJ40 and about to buy an '85 XJ6, I will still take the 420 over them all. In fact, the 420 is and remains my daily driver.
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Why would you think there is anything wrong with the 420?? It has the 4.2 litre engine like the XJ6, the same IRS rear suspension, the same basic front suspension (without the rack and pinion), 2" SU carbs and it is shorter, narrower, lighter and faster than a comparable XJ6. My 420 fits in my garage with room to spare whilst my XJ40 barely fits.
It is not one of the large saloons and has about the same amount of wood as the XJ6 because of the vinyl dash surround. There were only about 15,000 of them made and most were for the UK market (including the Daimler version). Personally, I think it is a superior motorcar to the Mark II series as did the Police Departments around England as they dropped the Mark II in favor of the sister to the 420 -- the S-Type in 1967/1968. (Same car as the 420 -- different engine)
The 420 is a real sleeper in the Jaguar line. During the past 4 years, it has started to rise in popularity as well as price. If you are looking for a rising star in the Jaguar line -- this is it. One of the recent collector magazines I read at Barnes and Noble actually had both the 420 AND the 3.8 S listed at a higher price than the Mark II. I am not quite sure I would go that far, for the Mark II still remains the flagship of the small saloons. Having owned a Mark II and still owning an S-Type, a 420, an XJ40 and about to buy an '85 XJ6, I will still take the 420 over them all. In fact, the 420 is and remains my daily driver.
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Nice to here about the s-type.
I have an 1965 3.8 and i love the car.
https://www.splankymedia.se/051012/
Nice to here about the s-type.
I have an 1965 3.8 and i love the car.
https://www.splankymedia.se/051012/
Splanky
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The name is now Basie!
I went out yesterday with him and i think it was the last ride this year. :-(
But i am very happy for Basie. The car has a fantastic throttlerespons. Really nice power.
https://www.splankymedia.se/051026/1.jpg
https://www.splankymedia.se/051026/2.jpg
https://www.splankymedia.se/051026/3.jpg
Now i am searching for carcover. Any good links?
https://www.splankymedia.se/051012/
The name is now Basie!
I went out yesterday with him and i think it was the last ride this year. :-(
But i am very happy for Basie. The car has a fantastic throttlerespons. Really nice power.
https://www.splankymedia.se/051026/1.jpg
https://www.splankymedia.se/051026/2.jpg
https://www.splankymedia.se/051026/3.jpg
Now i am searching for carcover. Any good links?
https://www.splankymedia.se/051012/
Exotexs
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My $2.99 worth: I've never driven a 420 but I have driven a MK-II; The MK-II is over-rated and overpriced; Because of the stiff rear axle, it has a tendency to lose contact with the pavement at either one of the rear wheels during extreme cornering at speeds. The S type eliminated that problem with the IRS. The MK-II ride is harsh, the S type ride is soft but firm. The MK-II has a vinyl-covered center gauge panel, the S type has a walnut center gauge panel. The MK-II has a trunk/boot fit for a midget, the S type has a boot fit for sleeping with Madonna. The MK-II has shaved eyebrows for its headlamps, the S type has beautiful eyelids for its headlamps. The MK-II has 4 inch buckets for auxiliary lamps, the S type has 5.25 inch buckets for auxiliary lamps. The S type has very similar tail lamps as the Rolls Royce and Bentley of the same period, the MK-II has very similar tail lamps as a Volkswagen of the same period. Should I go on?
My $2.99 worth: I've never driven a 420 but I have driven a MK-II; The MK-II is over-rated and overpriced; Because of the stiff rear axle, it has a tendency to lose contact with the pavement at either one of the rear wheels during extreme cornering at speeds. The S type eliminated that problem with the IRS. The MK-II ride is harsh, the S type ride is soft but firm. The MK-II has a vinyl-covered center gauge panel, the S type has a walnut center gauge panel. The MK-II has a trunk/boot fit for a midget, the S type has a boot fit for sleeping with Madonna. The MK-II has shaved eyebrows for its headlamps, the S type has beautiful eyelids for its headlamps. The MK-II has 4 inch buckets for auxiliary lamps, the S type has 5.25 inch buckets for auxiliary lamps. The S type has very similar tail lamps as the Rolls Royce and Bentley of the same period, the MK-II has very similar tail lamps as a Volkswagen of the same period. Should I go on?
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I don't want to offend any MK-II owners/enthusiasts. But let's face it, the MK-II was First. The S type was Second, the 420 was Third. The 420 is in a different class, it has a 4.2 engine and Alternator system. So that leaves us with the MK-II and S type for comparisons. The MK-II has a single exhaust, the S type has a twin exhaust. The MK-II has a single fuel tank, the S type has twin fuel tanks and twin fuel pumps with a twin switch and twin gauge. The MK-II has massive bumpers, the S type has thin elegant bumpers. On the negative Side: The MK-II has beautiful rear wheel Spats, the S type has a wheel opening that even WE S type owners/enthusiasts don't like and often modify to MK-II specifications. Actually, that was the only mistake they made in the S type, the rear wheel openings. Why did they do that to us? We could have won!.
I don't want to offend any MK-II owners/enthusiasts. But let's face it, the MK-II was First. The S type was Second, the 420 was Third. The 420 is in a different class, it has a 4.2 engine and Alternator system. So that leaves us with the MK-II and S type for comparisons. The MK-II has a single exhaust, the S type has a twin exhaust. The MK-II has a single fuel tank, the S type has twin fuel tanks and twin fuel pumps with a twin switch and twin gauge. The MK-II has massive bumpers, the S type has thin elegant bumpers. On the negative Side: The MK-II has beautiful rear wheel Spats, the S type has a wheel opening that even WE S type owners/enthusiasts don't like and often modify to MK-II specifications. Actually, that was the only mistake they made in the S type, the rear wheel openings. Why did they do that to us? We could have won!.
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Exotexs,
One must be careful when trying to generalize about Jaguars – especially the older saloons. Jaguar had a tendency to do odd things over the years depending upon many factors. First off, a 420 is essentially the same as an S-Type – but with more horsepower and a square grill. There are a lot of other subtle differences but nothing too radical.
MOST of the items you list are strictly a matter of personal taste. I have owned a Mark II and I currently own a 420 and an S-Type. Each of these Jaguar saloons has it’s own unique personalities. I would not turn any of them down.
As for some of the technical stuff: While it is true that the S-Type has twin fuel tanks and pumps, it has a single switch and single fuel gauge. It simply switches circuits from one side to the other and relies upon the check valve built into the pump to keep one pump from overflowing into the other tank. My S-Type came from the factory with an alternator. I have this verified from Jaguar in Coventry. So you should not make broad assumptions. The S-Type when put into service as a Police vehicle was HATED by the Bobbies who had to drive it. To them, it was not as responsive as the Mark IIs they were use to and the IRS had tendency to spin out sooner on narrow London streets than the Mark II. It was kinda like drivers in this country when they first started to deal with Front Wheel drive cars. The Metropolitan Police had to start giving special instruction to the police officers. The Mark II and the 420 came with rich leather interiors, the S-Type starting in 1966 was nearly all Amblahyde (vinyl) The Mark II has the elegant picnic tables in the rear so characteristic of Jaguars whilst the S-Type does not.
No matter which small saloon you own, relish it for it is unique unto itself!!
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Exotexs,
One must be careful when trying to generalize about Jaguars – especially the older saloons. Jaguar had a tendency to do odd things over the years depending upon many factors. First off, a 420 is essentially the same as an S-Type – but with more horsepower and a square grill. There are a lot of other subtle differences but nothing too radical.
MOST of the items you list are strictly a matter of personal taste. I have owned a Mark II and I currently own a 420 and an S-Type. Each of these Jaguar saloons has it’s own unique personalities. I would not turn any of them down.
As for some of the technical stuff: While it is true that the S-Type has twin fuel tanks and pumps, it has a single switch and single fuel gauge. It simply switches circuits from one side to the other and relies upon the check valve built into the pump to keep one pump from overflowing into the other tank. My S-Type came from the factory with an alternator. I have this verified from Jaguar in Coventry. So you should not make broad assumptions. The S-Type when put into service as a Police vehicle was HATED by the Bobbies who had to drive it. To them, it was not as responsive as the Mark IIs they were use to and the IRS had tendency to spin out sooner on narrow London streets than the Mark II. It was kinda like drivers in this country when they first started to deal with Front Wheel drive cars. The Metropolitan Police had to start giving special instruction to the police officers. The Mark II and the 420 came with rich leather interiors, the S-Type starting in 1966 was nearly all Amblahyde (vinyl) The Mark II has the elegant picnic tables in the rear so characteristic of Jaguars whilst the S-Type does not.
No matter which small saloon you own, relish it for it is unique unto itself!!
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Splanky
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I Well... I don´t think there will bee any war because we have different taste. Basie is my first oldtimer and i have nothing else to compere with. Only modern saloons.
I love my car in everything. Handling, comfort, design and the blueprinted engine.
My biggest problem is the season
I can´t wait for the spring and all jaguar meetings
I Well... I don´t think there will bee any war because we have different taste. Basie is my first oldtimer and i have nothing else to compere with. Only modern saloons.
I love my car in everything. Handling, comfort, design and the blueprinted engine.
My biggest problem is the season
I can´t wait for the spring and all jaguar meetings Similar threads
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