"Real" Escort Twin Cam

aeronca65t · Oct 22, 2008

"Real" Escort Twin Cam

Saw a real one ~Last Weekend~

....not a crappy American one like my Red Pig.

AngliaGT · Oct 22, 2008

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Those are just too cool!

- Doug

racingenglishcars · Oct 23, 2008

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engine

vagt6 · Oct 23, 2008

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So, what are the characteristics of the twin cam engine? Is it a Lotus engine??

Anyone have the lowdown on the power?

Absolutely cool car. I saw a few at the regional Brit car shows this year, seems they're making a comeback. Probably because of the price.

swift6 · Oct 23, 2008

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That one appears to be a BDA. Ford roots (just like the Lotus engine) but with some heavy Cosworth development. Over 200 ponies in race trim. Easily too. Add a turbo and things can get stupid scary right fast.

aeronca65t · Oct 23, 2008

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The stock Twin Cam Escort makes about 110 HP...same as a Lotus Cortina.

The later BDA 16-valve made a few more; about 120 HP.
This doesn't sound like much considering an ordinary Hyundai can make 140+ HP these days.

But these cars were light and had better handling than many other cars of the day.

As mentioned, a modified BDA could make big horsepower. The Formula 3 BDA engines made 235 HP out of the crate from Ford.

vagt6 · Oct 24, 2008

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Thanks for the input, guys.

I really like the rally gauges in the middle of the dash, and a console. Really sporty car.

I like. :yesnod:

waltesefalcon · Oct 27, 2008

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I always have wondered why Fords American cars never took any cues from their over seas cousins.

Steve · Oct 27, 2008

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Apparently we are going to see our first true "world car" Ford on these shores fairly soon. The new Ford Fiesta will be the same as is available in Europe. About time too!

My theory as to why Ford never did that before is that it is due to management underestimating the American driver. Part "they will never miss what they never had", and part "they don't want responsive, communicative, sporting and smaller cars".

Well maybe the full-size-rear-wheel-drive land yacht brigade wouldn't want cars like this, but there were many who did, and as a result cars such as the BMW 2002 did extremely well over here. Imagine if Ford had brought the Escort over from Europe and had left it alone, it would have ushered in something of a revolution. Much cheaper than the 2002, it would have been immensely popular.

healeynut · Oct 27, 2008

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That Bernie Ecclestone quote about the Singapore F1 is classic. I was there in Singapore - great race.

:lol:

john_j · Oct 28, 2008

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Cars badged as Twin Cam had a Lotus / Ford engine.

The cars with the BDA were badge RS1600 and RS1800. I think some of the works cars had a 2000 BDA, but I'm not certain about that.

(Cars Badged as RS2000 had the Pinto engine and didn't have the same performance as the RS16 and 18)

My recollection is that 120bhp is correct for the road going RS1600, they were de tuned to 120 to make them sensible enough to sell as road cars; the rally cars were tuned up a bit from there!

In the 70s, one of my friends had a Mk1 Escort van with a blown up engine and a 'left over' BDA lying about, so put them together which gave a few other drivers a shock at the traffic lights!

john_j · Oct 28, 2008

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Steve said:
Apparently we are going to see our first true "world car" Ford on these shores fairly soon. The new Ford Fiesta will be the same as is available in Europe.

I though you had the Focus over there - is that different from the european one?

drooartz · Oct 28, 2008

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john_jI though you had the Focus over there - is that different from the european one?[/quote said:
It wasn't at the beginning, but while the European Focus has been improved and looks nice, the US one has gotten stagnant and a bit ugly.

Steve · Oct 28, 2008

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drooartz said:
john_jI though you had the Focus over there - is that different from the european one?[/QUOTE said:

It wasn't at the beginning, but while the European Focus has been improved and looks nice, the US one has gotten stagnant and a bit ugly.

Click to expand...

Didn't the US version have different engines from those in Europe?

swift6 · Oct 29, 2008

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Both had ZTEC's

We also had the Ford "Contour"/Mercury "Mystique" for a short period. Which were first gen Mondeo's I believe.

Roger · Oct 29, 2008

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swift6 said:
Both had ZTEC's

We also had the Ford "Contour"/Mercury "Mystique" for a short period. Which were first gen Mondeo's I believe.

I think they were Mondeo platforms, but uglied-up for the US market.

70herald · Oct 30, 2008

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Roger said:
swift6 said:

Both had ZTEC's

We also had the Ford "Contour"/Mercury "Mystique" for a short period. Which were first gen Mondeo's I believe.

Click to expand...

I think they were Mondeo platforms, but uglied-up for the US market.

Uglied up and dumbed down. To bad, the Mondeo is a rather nice car. So is the Euro version of the Focus.

healeynut · Oct 30, 2008

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I was in the Czech and Slovak republics earlier this year and rented a Ford Focus wagon (they call it a combi). It had a diesel motor.

It had tons of power (very fast, actually) and while not being too particularly careful of how I drove, I got something around 40 mpg. And this was a car full of kids, wife and bags. I'm sure I could have pushed 45 mpg without too much effort.

Very comfortable to drive, and the dash and instruments were very nicely done. A handsome car as well.

I have no clue why they don't sell this car in the US. The US car manufacturers deserve to go bankrupt.

:crazyeyes:

JPSmit · Oct 30, 2008

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healeynut said:
I have no clue why they don't sell this car in the US. The US car manufacturers deserve to go bankrupt.

apparently they can't afford to. even though they already have the designs, they can't afford to increase capacity there, or set up factories here. spectacular lack of foresight I suspect

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