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    Re: Bringing the B back to life

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    On checking a five-main short block here (actually, it's holding up my garage CAB 'fridge), it doesn't have that hole in the backing plate. Not sure I've ever run across one that does.

    Per'aps an access for timing marks in another automobile? Rolls used a similar method for timing marks earlier.
    I have a vague vague memory of the hole being for an automatic transmission - which I seem to recall some GTs having.
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    Re: Bringing the B back to life

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    I have a vague vague memory of the hole being for an automatic transmission - which I seem to recall some GTs having.
    Entirely possible! Access to the bolts for the torque converter. Good eye there, JP!!
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    Re: Bringing the B back to life

    Thanks, guys. I'll try and get a plug if one is available, but BPNorthwest doesn't have it and Moss/VB are closed. Given that my original engine hasn't had a plug for that hole the entire time I've owned it, I'm not too worried on this temp engine. Don't want to slow down my progress of getting the engine back in the car if I can avoid it.
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    Re: Bringing the B back to life

    Drew,

    Are you going to paint it?
    I'm trying to decide weather or not to paint mine,
    if I ever get it pulled.A guy who works at a local
    shop is supposed to loan me a hist,but I can't seem
    to get him to get it out of storage.
    I had a really nice one, but couldn't see shipping
    it cross-country.I gave it to another MG owner who did
    me many favors.
    Never do anything you
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    to the paramedics.

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    Re: Bringing the B back to life

    I'm not going to paint this engine, as it's just a temporary (famous last words) solution. When I get around to rebuilding the original it will get a nice coat of MG engine red.

    If it were just a question of spraying some paint I would definitely do it, but this one would need extensive degreasing (really a hot tank) and I just don't want to spend that much time on it.
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    Re: Bringing the B back to life

    Made some more progress tonight. Replaced the oil pan gasket and put the new motor mounts on. The engine itself is ready to go into the car now. Still need to put the trans mount together and decide if I'm putting my trans in, or the one that came with this engine (both are OD). I did a filter replace and fluid change on my trans a few years ago, no idea when that was last done on the donor. Leaning towards using mine, but we'll see.

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    Re: Bringing the B back to life

    Great progress, sir. Have you replaced the side cover gaskets? If not, it'd be a good idea. The back one is a real PITA once everything is back in the car.
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    Re: Bringing the B back to life

    Yup, did side cover gaskets as well. Tried to get the easy stuff done with the engine out.

    It's hard to resist the temptation to go deeper, but I have to remind myself that this is a temporary situation. The rebuild can wait for the other engine.
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    Re: Bringing the B back to life



    I admire your self-control. But you're right: Better to be driving sooner as you put the other mill together. Keep the "may as wells" for that build.

    Random thoughts:

    Did you have a look at bearing shells while the pan was off?

    I should've read the prior post about the side-covers. duh.

    Getting to that hole in the back plate with the pan in-situ would be nearly impossible, methinks.
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    Re: Bringing the B back to life

    I bought this car back 3+ years ago and have only driven it my 50 miles. Time to have it running one way or another.

    I didn't look at the bearing shells while the pan was off. Mostly didn't think of it. Trying to avoid getting into the internals and the slippery slope of a rebuild. How worth it is it to check those (engine was pulled from a running car, only stopped driving it due to fatal rust)?
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    Re: Bringing the B back to life

    Quote Originally Posted by drooartz View Post
    I bought this car back 3+ years ago and have only driven it my 50 miles. Time to have it running one way or another.

    I didn't look at the bearing shells while the pan was off. Mostly didn't think of it. Trying to avoid getting into the internals and the slippery slope of a rebuild. How worth it is it to check those (engine was pulled from a running car, only stopped driving it due to fatal rust)?
    I run a quart of Lucas oil additive plus 20W50 - covers a multitude of sins!
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    Re: Bringing the B back to life

    Drew, If you've put the pan on already and the engine was running prior to removal, I'd not worry about it. As you say, the slippery slope.

    As for JP's answer, it can't hurt. The Lucas stuff is a good "cushion" for the bedded in bearings. Not so much in a new engine for break-in, although it makes a good assembly lube.
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    Re: Bringing the B back to life

    Thanks guys. I'll leave well enough alone at this point. Hoping to get the trans mount sorted tonight, chipping away a little at a time while I wait for the next parts order.

    BP Northwest has been great, but I do miss Moss. They have all the random little things (like the plug for that opening in the backplate) that really no one else has. I'll be happy to have them back once that's safe for them to do so.
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    Re: Bringing the B back to life

    RE: Trans mount. I've found it easiest to assemble the mounts to the cross-member and put the four bolts in the trans case after it's in the car. That job's a lot less fiddly with a " swivel socket.
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    Re: Bringing the B back to life

    Any tips for installing the rubber bushings on the trans mount? I can see how they go, but they're being stubborn.
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    Re: Bringing the B back to life

    Which gearbox, Drew? 3-synchro or the later one? And using the Moss parts diagram, show us the errant bushings by number.
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    Re: Bringing the B back to life

    Quote Originally Posted by DrEntropy View Post
    Which gearbox, Drew? 3-synchro or the later one? And using the Moss parts diagram, show us the errant bushings by number.
    What, you can't read my mind?

    4-synchro box (1970). #3 in the Moss schematic, rubber bushes. There are 2 of them, on the center mount of the trans crossmember.

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