Results 1 to 16 of 16

Thread: Chernobyl

The Pub is: Forum to generally shoot the breeze. It is NOT: a debate forum (NO Politics, religion, or controversial topics.) Keep it clean, fun and lite!

  1. #1
    Yoda Boink's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2011
    Location
    Portland, OR
    Posts
    5,579
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    5
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    16
    Thanked in
    15 Posts

    Chernobyl

    Whew... powerful stuff. Just watched the 5th (and final) episode of the HBO mini-series "Chernobyl." Shocking, depressing, and gripping. Beautifully done; wonderfully written; great acting. More to the story than I knew (and I thought I knew a lot). Worth watching. "Every lie we tell incurs a debt to the truth. Sooner or later that debt will be repaid."
    Animal-lovers will not want to watch Episode 4.
    - Mark

    Former 1956 Austin Healey 100-4 (BN2)
    Former 1962 Mk1 Austin Mini (850)
    Former 1973 Austin Mini (really a 1980s Cooperized Mini)
    Present 1959 Austin Healey "Bugeye" Sprite (with 1275, 5 speed, discs, etc)

  2. The Following User Says Thank You to Boink For This Useful Post:

    NutmegCT  (01-28-2020)

  3. #2
    Great Pumpkin NutmegCT's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2004
    Location
    Connecticut USA
    Posts
    11,319
    Blog Entries
    1
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    62
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    108
    Thanked in
    100 Posts

    Re: Chernobyl

    Thanks for the recommendation. I've wanted to see that for many moons, but so far not available on Netflix.

    There are probably many other stories that tell what we never knew ... check out: Schlosser, Eric. Command and Control: Nuclear Weapons, the Damascus Accident, and the Illusion of Safety. New York: Penguin, 2013.

    A friend of mine is a former missile site officer (1970s). Oh the stories he can tell ...
    Mac & Phyllis Take a Trip: http://nutmegflyer.com/trip-details-daily-updates/
    History: 1976 MGB, 1959 Triumph TR3A, 1960 Mercedes-Benz 190b, 1958 Rambler American.
    Current: 1953 MG TD27318.

  4. #3
    Yoda glemon's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2007
    Location
    Nebraska, USA
    Posts
    3,450
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    14
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    17
    Thanked in
    17 Posts

    Re: Chernobyl

    I have a free month of HBO, was thinking of watching, I definitely will now

  5. #4
    Yoda TOC's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Location
    Floe Ice, Antarctica
    Posts
    6,280
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    0
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    21
    Thanked in
    21 Posts

    Re: Chernobyl

    From the submarine side....stories are epic.
    Begins with "USSR had no care about human life".
    K-19 was one. The Russkies got our reactor design via espionage, but the SHIELDING was not woth the effort to get. We got "hazardous duty pay", they got "sterility pay".

    Earlier boats (cold war) no mess decks, small (big as your bathroom) galley, tray of food, find a place to eat.
    Showers? We don't need no stinkin' showers.

    Reactors? Dump 'em off Vladivostok and wonder why there are NO fish any more.

    Refuel a nuke boat in drydock, no procedures, nobody in charge, remove the top of the containment vessel via crane without step-by-step securing the rods DOWN....rods come up, ooops...super critical, no way to fix it.
    Filled the drydock with concrete, MAYBE in 200 years they can finish the job.

  6. #5
    Great Pumpkin DrEntropy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Location
    Elsinore, DK
    Posts
    33,118
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    34
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    68
    Thanked in
    67 Posts

    Re: Chernobyl

    The Russians have played fast-n-loose with nuclear fission since Claus Fuchs gave away the farm. Same old question: "Who would give a six-year-old a loaded firearm?"
    '64 MGB, '67 Lotus Elan S-3 DHC,'69 Lotus Elan +2
    '78 Alfa Romeo Spider-undergoing surgery: O=\*/=O
    '84 300D Turbo-"Diesela"-Now my Daily: Oo|≣|oO
    '02 Toyota Camry- SWMBO's 'new-to-her' Daily. <sigh>
    Chaos & Mayhem PTY, LTD..C.I.O. & Floor Sweepervisor

  7. #6
    Yoda waltesefalcon's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2002
    Location
    Fletcher, Oklahoma
    Posts
    5,644
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    517
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    7
    Thanked in
    7 Posts

    Re: Chernobyl

    I watched that when it came out, riveting stuff and very well done.
    Cheers,
    Walter
    52 International L110
    68 Cadillac Coupe DeVille
    96 Mazda Miata

  8. #7
    Jedi Knight
    Join Date
    May 2013
    Location
    southwest Ohio
    Posts
    1,361
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    0
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    18
    Thanked in
    18 Posts

    Re: Chernobyl

    The Russians, particularly in the soviet era, just could admit they'd done something wrong, much less be open about it and fix their mistakes. For all our other problems western style societies tend to be open in finding, discussing and attempting to fix most problems that occur from poor planning and procedures. Maybe not as fast and open as some would like, but not like the silence and denials that have come from others in the past.

  9. #8
    Great Pumpkin NutmegCT's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2004
    Location
    Connecticut USA
    Posts
    11,319
    Blog Entries
    1
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    62
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    108
    Thanked in
    100 Posts

    Re: Chernobyl

    Reminds me of a Soviet -era joke.

    Factory worker explains: "We have a simple and efficient system. We pretend to work, and they pretend to pay us."
    Mac & Phyllis Take a Trip: http://nutmegflyer.com/trip-details-daily-updates/
    History: 1976 MGB, 1959 Triumph TR3A, 1960 Mercedes-Benz 190b, 1958 Rambler American.
    Current: 1953 MG TD27318.

  10. #9
    Yoda Boink's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2011
    Location
    Portland, OR
    Posts
    5,579
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    5
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    16
    Thanked in
    15 Posts

    Re: Chernobyl

    Quote Originally Posted by mikephillips View Post
    The Russians, particularly in the soviet era, just could admit they'd done something wrong, much less be open about it and fix their mistakes. For all our other problems western style societies tend to be open in finding, discussing and attempting to fix most problems that occur from poor planning and procedures. Maybe not as fast and open as some would like, but not like the silence and denials that have come from others in the past.
    The bureaucracy in the Soviet era was thick, deep and dreadful. This series certainly captures it (as well as the KGB being everywhere).

    Supposedly, Gorbachev said that Chernobyl marked the end of the Soviet era (but that it took another 3 years for the wall to come down in Germany).
    - Mark

    Former 1956 Austin Healey 100-4 (BN2)
    Former 1962 Mk1 Austin Mini (850)
    Former 1973 Austin Mini (really a 1980s Cooperized Mini)
    Present 1959 Austin Healey "Bugeye" Sprite (with 1275, 5 speed, discs, etc)

  11. #10
    Yoda Boink's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2011
    Location
    Portland, OR
    Posts
    5,579
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    5
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    16
    Thanked in
    15 Posts

    Re: Chernobyl

    Just found the official trailer (it's also good):

    - Mark

    Former 1956 Austin Healey 100-4 (BN2)
    Former 1962 Mk1 Austin Mini (850)
    Former 1973 Austin Mini (really a 1980s Cooperized Mini)
    Present 1959 Austin Healey "Bugeye" Sprite (with 1275, 5 speed, discs, etc)

  12. #11
    Great Pumpkin NutmegCT's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2004
    Location
    Connecticut USA
    Posts
    11,319
    Blog Entries
    1
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    62
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    108
    Thanked in
    100 Posts

    Re: Chernobyl

    Mark - here's another telling of the Chernobyl story.

    https://thoughtmaybe.com/the-battle-of-chernobyl/
    Mac & Phyllis Take a Trip: http://nutmegflyer.com/trip-details-daily-updates/
    History: 1976 MGB, 1959 Triumph TR3A, 1960 Mercedes-Benz 190b, 1958 Rambler American.
    Current: 1953 MG TD27318.

  13. #12
    Yoda Boink's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2011
    Location
    Portland, OR
    Posts
    5,579
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    5
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    16
    Thanked in
    15 Posts

    Re: Chernobyl

    Excellent (Tom). Thanks.

    This is the real deal... documentary. Fascinating to see the REAL footage of those guys on the roof shoveling highly radioactive graphite (to dump over the side); this was well-portrayed in the mini-series.
    Last edited by Boink; 01-18-2020 at 02:28 PM.
    - Mark

    Former 1956 Austin Healey 100-4 (BN2)
    Former 1962 Mk1 Austin Mini (850)
    Former 1973 Austin Mini (really a 1980s Cooperized Mini)
    Present 1959 Austin Healey "Bugeye" Sprite (with 1275, 5 speed, discs, etc)

  14. #13
    Great Pumpkin JPSmit's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2004
    Location
    Toronto, ON
    Posts
    18,767
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    0
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    60
    Thanked in
    57 Posts

    Re: Chernobyl

    Fascinating story of the Babushkas of Chernobyl - mostly women who refused to leave or illegally returned. The power of place and home.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...exclusion-zone
    John-Peter Smit
    1976 MG Midget
    1969 Vauxhall Viva GT
    1958 Fiat Multipla (Barn art)

  15. #14
    Yoda Boink's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2011
    Location
    Portland, OR
    Posts
    5,579
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    5
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    16
    Thanked in
    15 Posts

    Re: Chernobyl

    Quote Originally Posted by JPSmit View Post
    Fascinating story of the Babushkas of Chernobyl - mostly women who refused to leave or illegally returned. The power of place and home.
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...exclusion-zone
    Nice (sad) story. They do cover this in the mini-series, but imply that nobody could stay. There's even a gruesome scene about it in the show.
    It certainly makes sense to stay if one was elderly... but there would be no infra-structure, so they'd have to be totally self-sufficient.
    - Mark

    Former 1956 Austin Healey 100-4 (BN2)
    Former 1962 Mk1 Austin Mini (850)
    Former 1973 Austin Mini (really a 1980s Cooperized Mini)
    Present 1959 Austin Healey "Bugeye" Sprite (with 1275, 5 speed, discs, etc)

  16. #15
    Yoda glemon's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2007
    Location
    Nebraska, USA
    Posts
    3,450
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    14
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    17
    Thanked in
    17 Posts

    Re: Chernobyl

    I just finished watching, that is the best bit of television I have seen in a long time. As I get older I enjoy reality based shows and movies more, even if they embellish a bit. The efforts and sacrifice made to contain after the disaster is amazing.

  17. #16
    Yoda Boink's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2011
    Location
    Portland, OR
    Posts
    5,579
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    5
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    16
    Thanked in
    15 Posts

    Re: Chernobyl

    Quote Originally Posted by glemon View Post
    I just finished watching, that is the best bit of television I have seen in a long time. As I get older I enjoy reality based shows and movies more, even if they embellish a bit. The efforts and sacrifice made to contain after the disaster is amazing.
    I immediately went on-line to see if there were opinions about accuracies, and the places that were inaccurate were:
    a) mentioned in the credits (like the woman physicist being intended to represent many concerned scientists)
    b) were picky things that didn't detract... a few for dramatic affect.
    All in all, most felt they did an extraordinary job.

    Gads, can you imagine what would have happened if nobody objected to the initial government positions?!
    - Mark

    Former 1956 Austin Healey 100-4 (BN2)
    Former 1962 Mk1 Austin Mini (850)
    Former 1973 Austin Mini (really a 1980s Cooperized Mini)
    Present 1959 Austin Healey "Bugeye" Sprite (with 1275, 5 speed, discs, etc)

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •