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    New Model A project

    One of my shop partners has a '29 Model A Tudor that was a show car until it got caught in a garage fire. The car didn't actually burn but the extreme heat did it no good. I has finally decided to restore it again and I will be helping him. Here are a couple of photos. The first is everything except the chassis loaded in my trailer and headed for the sand blaster to remove all the burnt paint and rust. The second is a couple of weeks later after many hours of sanding, a few hours of straightening, some more time welding and finally with two coats of epoxy primer on everything except the body and doors. It currently occupies our makeshift paint booth which is also where my Sprite lives. So the Sprite has been on hold until we can get everything primed for rust protection.
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    Re: New Model A project

    I had a 29 Tudor. Twin side mounts. Tan body, black fenders, yellow wheels. Mechanical brakes. All done (with "trunk") except upholstery.

    "Massacree" is what we named it. Date code stamped in the firewall was Valentine's Day, 1929.
    Fun old car.

    Everybody needs to do a Model A at some point.

    I even hand propped it once to say I did it.

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    Re: New Model A project

    I'm slow getting back but yours must have been the deluxe model. This one is the cheaper Tudor with the spare mounted on the rear instead of the side mount and no trunk. It was an October build. We finally have everything sand blasted, sanded and in epoxy primer. Well, everything but the wheels. Still trying to decide whether to powder coat them. One of these photos shows the body in primer. The other shows how we got to the bottom for sanding and primer. A should add, my paint supplier suggested Southern Polyurethanes epoxy primer as they cater more to restoration shops than production shops. I'm glad he did. This stuff is great to use. It is 1:1 mix and required no thinning with my 2.0 gun tip. Unlike most epoxy, it allows for top coating without additional sanding within 7 days. I was a little concerned about temperature in the high 80s for the first application. I texted their tech line about maximum temp and humidity. Within 10 minutes I got this answer back: "No maximums. 100 degrees and raining is fine." I love it.
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    Re: New Model A project

    looks great!
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    Re: New Model A project

    Bayless, nice work. I should drive up sometime and look over your shoulder.
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    Re: New Model A project

    Thanks Walt but I don't recommend myself as instructor. I'm not really a slow body man but I'm certainly not a fast body man either. I guess I would be classified as a half-fast body man.
    On another note though, I got primer on all the trim pieces and a couple of others we missed earlier. Everything is now in primer and no longer susceptible to rust so maybe I can take a little time to work on my Sprite or Prefect for a while.
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    Re: New Model A project

    Made a little more progress. All the major (really not that bad) body work done, including bondo as necessary, and everything is now in epoxy primer. Last pieces were the doors and the hood parts. So, yesterday was my first experience with polyester primer. I put 2 or 3 coats of Slick Sand on those parts as they were still in the paint booth area. Today we will start sanding and find out how good (or bad) our prior work was. Based on how much paint those few parts took, I don't think a gallon will be enough for the car.
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    Re: New Model A project

    I bumped into a beautiful Model A Cabriolet when taking Baby Blue out for some gas. The guy at the register came out to see both cars, and all the other folks filling gas came over to check the cars out. It was like a mini-car show.

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    Re: New Model A project

    Quote Originally Posted by SaxMan View Post
    I bumped into a beautiful Model A Cabriolet when taking Baby Blue out for some gas. The guy at the register came out to see both cars, and all the other folks filling gas came over to check the cars out. It was like a mini-car show.
    nice though a somewhat unfortunate description
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    Re: New Model A project

    Well I had a disappointment today. The first experience with Slick Sand was great. It shot nice and sanded easily. Easy with a long board to get everything flat. I decided at the last minute yesterday to do the next batch. This morning it is still too soft to sand. I'm sure I put the right amount of hardener so my best guess so far is that I let it get too cool too soon. I left the heat on for tonight but if it's not hard by tomorrow it looks like I will have to find a way to take it all off. Fortunately I do have a solid epoxy base under it.
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    Re: New Model A project

    Quote Originally Posted by Bayless View Post
    Well I had a disappointment today. The first experience with Slick Sand was great. It shot nice and sanded easily. Easy with a long board to get everything flat. I decided at the last minute yesterday to do the next batch. This morning it is still too soft to sand. I'm sure I put the right amount of hardener so my best guess so far is that I let it get too cool too soon. I left the heat on for tonight but if it's not hard by tomorrow it looks like I will have to find a way to take it all off. Fortunately I do have a solid epoxy base under it.
    I know it is supposed to be science and others say it is easy, but I swear it is all magic and voodoo and the phase of the moon getting those mixtures right.
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    Re: New Model A project

    With the weather we have been having it is not entirely surprising that you got different results. With this cold and wet weather I'd definitely leave the heat on it all night after shooting.
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    Re: New Model A project

    You're probably right Walt. And thanks JP. After reading your last comment and choking down my second cup of coffee, it suddenly hit me. It was not the temperature. I have used a little more than a quart so far and there are 4 tubes of hardener for the gallon. Each tube mixes into a quart and I still have about a fourth of the first tube left. I remember very carefully calculating how much hardener for that last batch then just as carefully adding a little less than half what I should have.

    Today we took most of it off with lacquer thinner and a lot of scrubbing. Fortunately I did have a solid base of epoxy primer under it that the thinner didn't hurt. I am now back to where I was last Friday. Oh well, another lesson learned. The hard way, of course. I think it was Mark Twain said "Some people learn just by reading. A few more by watching. The rest of us have to pee on the electric fence ourselves."
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    Re: New Model A project

    Quote Originally Posted by Bayless View Post
    You're probably right Walt. And thanks JP. After reading your last comment and choking down my second cup of coffee, it suddenly hit me. It was not the temperature. I have used a little more than a quart so far and there are 4 tubes of hardener for the gallon. Each tube mixes into a quart and I still have about a fourth of the first tube left. I remember very carefully calculating how much hardener for that last batch then just as carefully adding a little less than half what I should have.

    Today we took most of it off with lacquer thinner and a lot of scrubbing. Fortunately I did have a solid base of epoxy primer under it that the thinner didn't hurt. I am now back to where I was last Friday. Oh well, another lesson learned. The hard way, of course. I think it was Mark Twain said "Some people learn just by reading. A few more by watching. The rest of us have to pee on the electric fence ourselves."
    Glad you figured it out (I hate it when it's obvious AND Twain also had Tom Sawyer get someone else to do the painting - just sayin'
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    Re: New Model A project

    Dang, it looks like that's what my shop partner (the car owner) did to me.
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    Re: New Model A project

    Happy you figured it out. Good luck with it moving forward.
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    Re: New Model A project

    Better luck today. It finally got warm enough outside that our shop heater could get everything up to 75 degrees and hold it there. I mixed up another batch with the right amount of hardener this time and re-shot the pieces. It actually got hard this time. Sometimes it just pays to think about what you are about to do even when it is a last minute decision.
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    Re: New Model A project

    Good to hear.
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    Re: New Model A project

    Latest project was getting the engine on the stand instead of the hoist.Dick found, cut up and drilled this monster piece of angle iron and I welded it together. Now I'm not really a welder so I was a little concerned about it. We left it still attached to the hoist with the chain slack overnight just in case. His reason for mounting it this way is so the gearbox can be mounted to it.
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