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    Oil Fiter Fitting Frustrations

    I'm having a tough time getting the original Purolator oil canister to seal. I was changing the oil this past week, and had difficulty getting the new gasket up in the filter head, then attaching the canister. I thought I had it, wrenched down the canister, then when I started the car to circulate the oil (after cranking it some with the key off), it spewed a quart or so on the garage floor!

    After researching fitting the gasket on this and the Triumph Experience forums, I found that there can be different "sizes" of the o-ring. I ordered the correct ones from TRF but I still can't seem to get them to fit in the groove properly. The cross section in the shop manual shows the o-ring to fit in the groove almost flush, mine stands proud and I don't think the groove is deep enough (the TRF o-rings are not as tall, but the same thickness as the ones I already had). How deep should they be? I've changed the oil before (in my old pre-Macy's rebuild engine) and don't remember this trouble.

    I think I'm going to order the spin-on adapter from TRF and be done with this. Help, if you can. I miss driving my car!
    Keith

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    Re: Oil Fiter Fitting Frustrations

    The slot for the rectangular seal "o-ring" is 0.100 wide by 0.187 deep the seal should be snug and a bit shallow. Le T.

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    Re: Oil Fiter Fitting Frustrations

    Fram ch820pl does not fit

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    Re: Oil Fiter Fitting Frustrations

    Double (or triple) check that there isn't another ring in the bottom of the groove! It seems strange, but this is a fairly common problem. It may take extended digging with a dental pick to get the extra ring out, but if you can't see shiny metal at the bottom of the groove, that's almost certainly the problem. A single ring should fit well inside the groove; you have to hold the canister to get it started into the groove before it will even touch the ring.

    Unfortunate, the spin-on adapter seals to the filter head exactly the same way the canister does, so installing the adapter won't solve the problem. You've got to make that joint work.
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    Re: Oil Fiter Fitting Frustrations

    It's easy to fit a second o-ring on top of a compressed o-ring that is embedded in the slot. When you do that, the o-ring will not seal properly. Disassemble and check the slot with a probe or dentist's pick for a second o-ring.
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    Re: Oil Fiter Fitting Frustrations

    +1 to the old seal. They get hard and stuck with age.
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    Re: Oil Fiter Fitting Frustrations

    Thanks to all. I was well aware of the old seal dilemma, however, I didn't think it was the issue since the filter had been put on and was fine, earlier. Upon closer examination, there is an old, hard seal, which I'm having difficulty getting out with a dental pick. I may have to chisel it out with something no wider than .100!

    As Henry Higgins in My Fair Lady said, "****, ****, ****, ****!"
    Keith

    1957 TR3 TS20447LO (2017-)
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    1966 Spitfire MKII (1972-1975)

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    Re: Oil Fiter Fitting Frustrations

    Update: I was able to get under it with a very small screwdriver and finally force it up and out. Very hard/brittle, but only enough to break in two pieces, fortunately. I cleaned out the groove, then put a new gasket in, which seated nicely and fit overall. The canister was attached and screwed in. I had to tighten it quite a bit to stop the drips.

    I'll think about the spin-on when I next change the oil, sometime this winter. Thanks to all for your valuable help, particularly calling out the obvious!
    Keith

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    1966 Spitfire MKII (1972-1975)

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    Re: Oil Fiter Fitting Frustrations

    Not really obvious...but we’ve all been burned by the same deal, and that’s why we know!
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    Re: Oil Fiter Fitting Frustrations

    Quote Originally Posted by ckeithjordan View Post
    Thanks to all. I was well aware of the old seal dilemma, however, I didn't think it was the issue since the filter had been put on and was fine, earlier.
    Oddly enough, that is also almost always the case! I don't know exactly why, seems like maybe the old ring is good for two or three (or more?) filter lifetimes; but eventually it breaks or warps or something, so it will no longer seal even with a new seal on top of it. I've never gotten one out in one piece to find out!
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    Re: Oil Fiter Fitting Frustrations

    When I change the oil on canister filer, I usually make a morning of it. After I have cleaned the inside and outside of the canister, I put a thin layer of aviation gasket sealer on the outside in between the 2 metal piece and the canister and some on the small thick rubber O ring. I do not put any on the large O ring that sits in housing by replacing them they will seal. Let that sit for an hour or so then drive it, or let it sit for a day. The Aviation gasket sealer never really dries anyway. Plus I only tighten things up a little after snug.
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    Re: Oil Fiter Fitting Frustrations

    Follow up:As I mentioned earlier, I was able to get the old, hard gasket out and fit one from TRF. I then put the canister (with the filter inside) back on, but I had to tighten it up pretty good once it was filled with oil and under pressure with the engine running. I had a very tiny leak/drip at the end bolt, but figured that would go away or was from handling.

    The drips continued and in about a week, I had leaked around a half-quart. Not good. I was afraid that I had tightened the canister too much and risked stretching the bolt. Tired of messing with it, I ordered a spin-on adapter and WIX 51516 filters. Today, I removed the original canister and carefully put the spin-on adapter with the correct torque. I put the threaded adapter on with blue Loctite and torqued it down, per the instructions. I spun on the new filter (painted a teal-green to mimic the original) and gave it one three-quarter turn by hand after it was seated. No drips, no runs, no errors. Success! Thanks to all for the advice and help.
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    1966 Spitfire MKII (1972-1975)

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    Re: Oil Fiter Fitting Frustrations

    Just for reference...the bolt has another seal which is easily replaced. Don’t know if you plan to repair and save the original canister?!?
    John

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    Re: Oil Fiter Fitting Frustrations

    Yes, John, I do plan to keep the original canister and will replace the seal(s). Steve’s ideas above also make sense. Thanks again.

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