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    Facet pump died

    Took the car out for the first time in a while, thing drove okay for a bit, then sputtered, coughed, and died. Then it fired up, drove a bit, did the same thing. I made it home and watched the fuel pressure gauge, and it slowly dropped from 2psi, then back up, so it looks like the Facet died. Is that common with the Facet pumps? If so, I'd like to change to something reliable.
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    Re: Facet pump died

    Seems like Facets are generally reliable, but even the most reliable pumps will die at some point. If you decide that it is, in fact, the pump, why not an SU pump rebuilt by Dave DuBois? I've been running one for several years now with no problem (yet!). https://userwebs.donobi.net/sufuelpumps/
    Before getting the rebuilt pump, I had a minor incident that involved changing a fuel pump in an Illinois corn field. After that, I added a back up Facet in addition to the rebuilt SU. So far, haven't had to use it, but I do check it every once in a while. There seem to be several choices these days, and I'm sure you'll get some feedback on the others, like Airtex, etc. Good luck.

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    Re: Facet pump died

    I'm wondering if your fuel filter is plugged or you have an air leak before the pump. Facet's are noisy but fairly reliable. I did have one that would lean out under hard acceleration though.

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    Re: Facet pump died

    I found a facet in stock local, so I put it in with a new filter. Its much louder than the previous one which I find odd.
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    Re: Facet pump died

    When installing the metal cube Facet pumps, pay attention to their request that it be mounted at a 45 degree angle. The following is hearsay from another LBC owner but I have no reason to doubt it. Apparently the steel slug moved by the electromagnet in the Facet pump is prone to sticking if mounted horizontally or vertically but lasts longer when mounted as described on the installation instructions.

    I have spare Facet pumps rigged with alligator clips and about 3 feet of fuel line in the boot of the Mini and our GT6. It won't take me long to bypass a dead pump and clip one of these in place should I ever have to.
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    Re: Facet pump died

    In my MGB I added a BARR brand pump (about $15) in line with the original pump and switched separately. Both pumps are flow through pumps so if either one quits the other will function correctly. Bob C
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    Re: Facet pump died

    I've had my facet in for about 15 years, but I have a brand new Airtex sitting in wait.
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    Re: Facet pump died

    Had an Airtex in the last car, was nice and quiet. May change to that at some point to quiet things down. Weather is too good right now to order something and be without the car.
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    Re: Facet pump died

    I agree with checking out Dave DuBois. I followed his recommendation for a back-up pump https://userwebs.donobi.net/sufuelpu..._Fuel_Pump.pdf
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    Re: Facet pump died

    Facets are excellent pumps. But debris of any kind in fuel will kill them.
    if scale - rust get into them it can pound into the ball seat and they can't hold pressure.
    i have run one for years with a large high surface area filter prior to the pump.
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    Re: Facet pump died

    I've got a pile of SU pumps that I'll never get around to working on. I'm sure some of them would be good with nothing more than cleaning the points. I'm wondering if anyone offers a rebuild service and might want them.

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    Re: Facet pump died

    Dave will rebuild them for you. He may even offer to buy them as cores.
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    Re: Facet pump died

    Quote Originally Posted by dklawson View Post
    Dave will rebuild them for you. He may even offer to buy them as cores.
    Well, i don't think I want to dig through the snow to get to them right now but how do I get hold of Dave Dubois?
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    Re: Facet pump died

    I talked to Dave a couple of weeks ago and he is laid up with a bad shoulder for a while but is accepting work for when he is able. His phone number is 360-479-0462 and he lives in Bremerton, Wa. Have a good day!

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    Re: Facet pump died

    I mounted a Facet pump as a back-up. I also used rubber standoffs and can hardly hear it run.

    stand off.jpg
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    Re: Facet pump died

    Here is Dave's website, some good information there: https://userwebs.donobi.net/sufuelpumps/

    Also, an MGB transmission mount (413-050) makes a good Facet mount. The two studs match the mounting holes in the pump and there is only one stud for mounting, if you already have a suitable hole somewhere. But, it may not be as compliant as the standoffs.

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    Re: Facet pump died

    Thanks for the info on Dave....i'll make a note of it.

    Kurt.
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    Re: Facet pump died

    Ed
    Check/fix the ground on the Facet and I will bet that it will run for years more
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    Re: Facet pump died

    I already replaced it, but the ground looked good. Maybe I'll dig it out of the recycling and hang on to it.
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