• General Public's Opinion of our LBC's

    Of Prejudice, Perceptions and LBC's...
    by Dr Entropy


    It has always confounded me: the manner in which a major portion of the US public perceive our cars. For the most part it has been my experience that they think of the cars as “toys” or “cute” and “flimsy”. “Unreliable” comes in there too.


    A personal case in point:
    In another life I worked as a photographer for a studio in western Pennsylvania. The owner (I'll call him Sam) and I had known each other for years before this. I had just been discharged from the US Air Force, where I had been an “Aerial Combat Documentation Photographer.” It was a natural fit that I seek employment with a photo business, as the government would 'subsidize' my wages for some period if I stayed in a related field. It was a win-win for Sam and self. This guy was a successful owner/operator with many national professional awards and community prestige.


    He drove a Lincoln Continental of the “suicide door” persuasion (an older car even then, with 80K showing on the clock). He also unfortunately had the mechanical aptitude of a grape. I was using the Elan as my daily transport, had just completed a full rebuild of the beast and it was in excellent condition. Sam was of the opinion the car would be less -than up to the task of “bride chasing” if I were to continue using it.


    The first conversation over his “issues” went akin to:
    He: “What're you going to do if that thing breaks down and you're on your way to a wedding?!”
    Me: “I'll get out, fix whatever is wrong and continue on my way.”
    He: “Oh, no you won't! You will get your gear out of it and flag down the first car you see, offer them money and get to the wedding! Leave it parked beside the road!”
    Me: “I'll take that under advisement. But I think you're being too melodramatic. It won't just die on me.”


    The part about “leave it” stunned me.


    About six months later we were on our way to the wedding of a prominent area businessman's daughter. We were going as a “team” so as to be certain the event was covered. Sam was a nervous type anyway and this event had him tight as an “E” string on an Ovation guitar. We of course set off from the studio in his Lincoln. We had barely cleared the carport when he remembered he'd left some relevant paperwork at his home that AM and we were going to require a detour to fetch it. The house that photos built was a new two-story, column facade edifice atop a western Pennsylvania “hill.” It was accessed by a two- lane, three mile uphill zig-and-zag road. Very scenic.


    As we descended said hill on our way to the event, his trusty Lincoln just quit. The tank was full, and all else was working. It just STALLED and would not relight. No power brakes, no power steering. He looked at me in abject shock. Bringing this lumbering beast to a stop beside the street was a struggle, no amount of key twisting would start it again. He started to say something like: “We gotta flag somebody down!” (this was pre cell 'phone). I calmly suggested he allow gravity to work and roll slowly the rest of the way down the road and into the gas station at the intersection below. If he could pilot it that far un-powered we would be able to drive it to the wedding on time. For whatever reason he went with my plan and we made the station.


    What Sam didn't know was: I'd grown up with a father and two uncles who drove Lincolns. The Old Man also fixed his when something needed work. This spontaneous stall was very likely something I knew about.


    He: “Now what are we going to do?”
    Me: “Open the hood and stay in the drivers' seat.”


    Ford built those engines with a mechanical fuel pump mounted at the front of the block, actuated with a push-rod from the cam. At almost ~exactly~ 80K miles, the push-rod tip had worn sufficiently to cause the pump to be at half its stroke, the car would stall due to a vapour lock condition. I went to the outside water spigot and filled the nearby galvanized vessel with water. He was sitting staring at the engine as I poured water on the pump and told him: “Start the thing and KEEP it running! Do NOT let it go to idle.” He resignedly turned the key and it lit right off. His expression was one I treasure to this day.


    I explained we needed to find a gallon container and put it aboard with water in it, just in case it happened again then press on to the wedding. All went as scheduled, Sam was confounded but back from the precipice of panic. He subsequently had the Lincoln repaired at a shop he used regularly and they confirmed my diagnosis. There was never another discussion on the reliability of the Elan or of the “procedures” if something were to interrupt a journey to another wedding. Sam and I parted ways when the government subsidy ran out. He couldn't bear to pay me the full amount. To this day I'm certain the decision was based more on personalities than finance.


    I drove the Elan for eleven years as my daily transport; it never had to be brought home on a stretcher. All of my LBC's have been called on to perform in similar fashion, only one ever required a flatbed: The +2 snapped a differential output shaft in an intersection. Replacement with uprated shafts removed that problem from the list. What seems to shade folks' opinion is the result of poor quality maintenance the cars generally received and the poor level of respect they had from most independent shops. Not any inherent frailty of the machines.
    Comments 6 Comments
    1. vette's Avatar
      vette -
      Quote: " What seems to shade folks' opinion is the result of poor quality maintenance the cars generally received and the poor level of respect they had from most independent shops. Not any inherent frailty of the machines."
      Very true Doc. And don't touch those SU carburetors.
      Back in that era I too was more or less of the same persuasion as your Sam. I as many at the time were weaned on the big lumbering V8. Those little 4 bangers which need high rpms for power would never last we were convinced. And those foolish dual carburetors surely needed constant adjusting. So I drove a 289 Mustang with a good stout floor shifter. I later bought an MGA (reasoning is for another story). After restoring it I drove it all thru New England and into Canada on Holiday eventually selling the Mustang. Today the Healey and the MGB in my garage are the least troublesome of my stable.
    1. DrEntropy's Avatar
      DrEntropy -
      It's something difficult to explain to "mainstream" Americans. My first car at age 18 was a two-year-old, '66 MGB. When I got it home my father looked at it and said: "You spent $700 on THAT?!?!" Many years later and over 200K miles on that MG, his remarks had changed: "Those cars are the most amazingly well built machines I've ever seen." Over the years since then I've had at least one MGB in the stable, knowing THAT car will get me where I need to go.
    1. RCarr's Avatar
      RCarr -
      Those are great stories. At the risk of being thrown out as a member of this forum I'll admit that I have not helped our cause in the past. In the early '80s when my 1974 Spitfire was my daily ride it performed well, even on snowy icy roads here in NJ during winter months. However, i did often tell friends that in order to rely on it during the week I would usually spend Saturday performing maintenance or fixing some small mechanical or electrical issue, maybe a bad connection, a new fuel pump, etc. I'm a lot more knowledgeable now on maintenance than I was back then and agree that if well maintained we can rely on them for any trip, anywhere, any season. Thanks for sharing your stories above, I'll probably reference it when some of my Ford Mustang loving friends make fun of my Triumph or Austin Healey in the future.
    1. glemon's Avatar
      glemon -
      I found my British cars to be wonderfully reliable if you have the money and knowledge to take care of them. My first couple cars, Sprites, had various issues, most of which could have been fixed by a little money (marginal batteries) or a little more experienced mechanic and driver at the helm. By the time I was in my 20s I drove my TR4A around and it worked great year round, including starting right up on many sub zero winter mornings.

      Also never had anything in a engine break, despite flogging the bejesis out of them in my youth.
    1. Sprint ST's Avatar
      Sprint ST -
      Quote Originally Posted by glemon View Post
      I found my British cars to be wonderfully reliable if you have the money and knowledge to take care of them. My first couple cars, Sprites, had various issues, most of which could have been fixed by a little money (marginal batteries) or a little more experienced mechanic and driver at the helm. By the time I was in my 20s I drove my TR4A around and it worked great year round, including starting right up on many sub zero winter mornings.

      Also never had anything in a engine break, despite flogging the bejesis out of them in my youth.
      I am on my first British automobile. I got sidetracked by motorcycles, still have three. Another story. However, I have always liked Triumph TR6, Spitfire, and MG. I just knew they could not be as bad as some made them out to be.

      It amazes me (and some still think this today) the people that think a positive ground system is unreliable. Those people are surprised to hear that the battery does not care which terminal is grounded.
    1. Madflyer's Avatar
      Madflyer -
      We all had the same time in life with that first LBC. I have had a few mostly TR's so I will pass on one story of the MG TD 1953. I already had gone through two TR 's TR4 and TR 250 but life and kids came a long. In the late 70's my wife though the TD's were neat so I got her one. Nice little car but did not do well in Sacramento summers. I had two Jeeps a CJ 5 and a wagon either one I took to work. As for the story one AM heading to work non of the Jeeps would start battery's and the like. So the TD was next in line low battery but a quick turn of the crank and off to work. Pulling into the parking lot ( construction site ) the guys asked why I came in that thing. Quick reply: The only dam car that would start. Madflyer

      1973 TR 6 been running for 27 years any time I want TRUSTED RELIBALE
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