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JPSmit
01-21-2015, 09:37 AM
Friends, I just found out that the brakes on my Vauxhall Viva are Girling and, at least the rears, the same as a Spitfire.

When I got the car, it was essentially missing the brake lines completely. So, I have to re-create the lines. Unfortunately, the information on the interweb is really really confusing. So, here is what I do know - can someone help? thanks! (reposted from another site - so the syntax is off)

specifically, what is the "Girling Bubble" is this the same as anything else? thoughts

so, quick update - I got the cylinders off, only destroyed one clip, adjusters are clean and ready to go, just waiting on new clips and a few other bits and bobs. In the meantime, time to learn about brakes.

I just learned (see other thread) that the car came with a hard line on the axle connecting the rear cylinders - thanks for that. Basically, the car had no brake lines at all when it came so, I am essentially starting from scratch! This is also new territory so, please forgive my ignorance.

In the boxes of bits and bobs, this was found - a new pre made line shown here next to an old one (please forgive the focus)

https://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m615/jpsmit4/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-01/IMG_20150117_153029_980_zpstni6wmvu.jpg (https://s1134.photobucket.com/user/jpsmit4/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-01/IMG_20150117_153029_980_zpstni6wmvu.jpg.html)

close up the label says:

https://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m615/jpsmit4/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-01/IMG_20150117_153037_985_zpsqqtucrtn.jpg (https://s1134.photobucket.com/user/jpsmit4/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-01/IMG_20150117_153037_985_zpsqqtucrtn.jpg.html)

it does connect to the old line:

https://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m615/jpsmit4/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-01/IMG_20150117_153122_297_zpswlip7rvx.jpg (https://s1134.photobucket.com/user/jpsmit4/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-01/IMG_20150117_153122_297_zpswlip7rvx.jpg.html)

but the ends seem different:

https://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m615/jpsmit4/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-01/IMG_20150117_153058_877_zps1l4eex3m.jpg (https://s1134.photobucket.com/user/jpsmit4/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-01/IMG_20150117_153058_877_zps1l4eex3m.jpg.html)

are they different? or slightly different versions of the same? It looks like 3/16" double flared - is this correct?

Thanks for any help, and, if this is the time to switch to an easier profile, please remember I essentially have nothing now except the Master Cylinder and Slave cylinders.

as always, thanks for your help,
JP

NutmegCT
01-21-2015, 09:46 AM
J-P - the two ends are different. Note the different flare shape and taper angles:

https://www2.mg-cars.org.uk/images/bbs/posts/97_2011072613131225385_71429363003060_1311765689.j pg

Andrew Mace
01-21-2015, 11:41 AM
Perhaps it would be best and easiest to simply buy a kit? One example (although the listing says Lockheed?) here on eBay, but I'm sure you could contact Automec directly. https://www.ebay.com/itm/Automec-Copper-Brake-Pipe-Set-Kit-Vauxhall-Viva-HB-66-70-Drum-Lockheed-/120803997182


(https://www.ebay.com/itm/Automec-Copper-Brake-Pipe-Set-Kit-Vauxhall-Viva-HB-66-70-Drum-Lockheed-/120803997182)

JPSmit
01-21-2015, 08:43 PM
Perhaps it would be best and easiest to simply buy a kit? One example (although the listing says Lockheed?) here on eBay, but I'm sure you could contact Automec directly. https://www.ebay.com/itm/Automec-Copper-Brake-Pipe-Set-Kit-Vauxhall-Viva-HB-66-70-Drum-Lockheed-/120803997182


(https://www.ebay.com/itm/Automec-Copper-Brake-Pipe-Set-Kit-Vauxhall-Viva-HB-66-70-Drum-Lockheed-/120803997182)

I certainly could - however, it is $220.00 to get it here - which is pretty spendy compared to making them plus, I'd like to develop the skill.

TimK1955tr2
01-22-2015, 08:41 AM
Here is a good NA supplier with lots of info....

https://www.fedhillusa.com/

NutmegCT
01-22-2015, 08:48 AM
J-P - weren't you originally asking about the different flare shapes?

Tom

Andrew Mace
01-22-2015, 09:20 AM
I certainly could - however, it is $220.00 to get it here - which is pretty spendy compared to making them plus, I'd like to develop the skill.Skill is fine. My thoughts are that your time is worth something, as is your ultimate safety and peace of mind. These kits come with proper fittings and flares, and the lines are all exactly the length they should be. You bend, fit, tighten and drive away.

Cheers!

charleyf
01-22-2015, 02:33 PM
Andy,
I just looked up the brake line sets and saw that they are copper lines. My concern is the copper . I know that our lines were originally steel and now there is a copper nickel that is stronger than just copper but bends more like the copper. So is having steel an overkill and copper will be just as safe?
Charley

HarryL
01-22-2015, 03:16 PM
When I rebuilt my 4A I went with the copper brake and fuel line sets offered.
They were easier to bend into shape & had a great finish to them.
Harry

Andrew Mace
01-22-2015, 03:20 PM
Andy,
I just looked up the brake line sets and saw that they are copper lines. My concern is the copper . I know that our lines were originally steel and now there is a copper nickel that is stronger than just copper but bends more like the copper. So is having steel an overkill and copper will be just as safe?
Charley"Pure" copper is actually frowned upon by many and even banned in some jurisdictions. But I'm pretty sure this and other companies offer "Kunifer" or Copper/Nickel lines as well, and those are pretty much universally accepted.