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Mark_Gibson
05-09-2005, 07:47 PM
Well, my TR-6 just got dragged home on my tow dolly after a trip to the alignment shop. That was the last hurdle to getting the car on the road except for my seats, which should be back to me by this weekend. I stopped by one of the TR-6 resident judges in my area with the car in tow and asked him to give it a look over to see what I had missed as far as originality for judging purposes. He only noted 3 things, which amazed me:

1. The headlights were not Lucas brand (fixed at a cost of 80 bucks for two headlights..ugh!)

2. The oil sending unit was aftermarket, not a Smiths sending unit (fixed, for 10 bucks from my buddy at British Auto)

3. My rear center section of my bumper has two chrome plugs to fill two holes that I guess aren't suppossed to be there on the earlier TR-6's. That will have to wait!!

Looking forward to driving the car soon! Hope y'all are already out there enjoying yours......

Mark
1970 TR-6 Awaiting Seats!!!

sammyb
05-09-2005, 08:28 PM
That's pretty dang good! Congrats Mark.

I've never believed that the Lucas brand headlights should be a big deal. As long as they are "period" replacements.

Mark_Gibson
05-09-2005, 10:06 PM
Sam,

Wouldn't you know that one of the headlights I bought has two settings; dim, and dimmer..ha! Good old Lucas, hard to beleive they got into the missle guidance system business in the 90's. I would think the safest place to be is the spot the missle is targeted at!!

Mark

Bruce Bowker
05-09-2005, 10:11 PM
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Good old Lucas, hard to beleive they got into the missle guidance system business in the 90's. I would think the safest place to be is the spot the missle is targeted at!!
Mark

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Actually Lucas has improved tremendously in the 1990's and now into the 2000's. They can assure a missle strike within 500 miles of the targeted area.

Bruce

05-09-2005, 11:20 PM
Mark, if your question was looking for some insight into what the professional judges are looking for in the way of a concours car, be prepared to pull your hair out. They can be brutal. For all of us that have fooled with these cars over the years, it is really quite gratifying to know which car had which bolt where and when. I have a friend, which I have mentioned on this forum before, that did a total rebuild on a TR4, soley for the purpose on putting it into competition judging. He was crushed after bringing it to the VTR/TRF Summer Party last year. He didn't even place. Those guys are SOOOooo nitpicky. The wrong bolts holding the body on the frame, the wrong headers (these particular ones weren't available in '67), etc., etc. Three years of hard work and all he got was the mumps. He does have a really nice TR4A/IRS that he takes out on occasion, but he will never shoot for concours again. It takes someone with extremely deep pockets and/or an insane ability to watch for details to get a 100 point car. I personally have a lot of respect for the few who chase around the country trying for the ultimate prize, but I could never do it (oh, alright, I could, but my pockets aren't deep enough). I like my resto-mod the way it is - perfect, in my eyes. (I think my friend hasn't learned his lesson, he just bought a cadmium plater, I am worried about him.) Enjoy you resto. The good news, the baby boomers are coming to age and the top 5% are loaded (1946 to 1964, I was born in the first number) and are wanting to relive their youth, hence the price for any LBC will climb steadily for the next ten year. Your investment can only go up from here. Enjoy.

Bill

Mark_Gibson
05-10-2005, 01:07 AM
Bill,

I am satisfied to know I did most of the work myself, and I'm sure the 1st time I have it judged and someone starts to nit pick the car, I'll try to grin and just nod. I'm not going to get too anal about it, and since I'm planning on driving it, I'm sure it won't compete with the trailer queens. Thanks for your insight, I appreciate it.

Mark

BOXoROCKS
05-10-2005, 11:01 AM
TR6BILL is Oh so right. Not to mention not all judges know all the correct info,{who does}, even B.Piggotts books have some incorrect info.

Andrew Mace
05-11-2005, 01:24 PM
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....I stopped by one of the TR-6 resident judges in my area with the car in tow and asked him to give it a look over to see what I had missed as far as originality for judging purposes. He only noted 3 things, which amazed me:

1. The headlights were not Lucas brand (fixed at a cost of 80 bucks for two headlights..ugh!)

2. The oil sending unit was aftermarket, not a Smiths sending unit (fixed, for 10 bucks from my buddy at British Auto)

3. My rear center section of my bumper has two chrome plugs to fill two holes that I guess aren't suppossed to be there on the earlier TR-6's....

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I can't speak on #3, as I'm not nearly so familiar with TR6s. However, as one who has judged other classes at several VTR Conventions, I can speak to #1 and #2.

Neither a non-Lucas headlamp nor an aftermarket oil pressure sender should cost points in VTR judging, so long as the replacement item has the same general appearance and is installed the same way. The headlamps were identical in all other respects to any available 7" sealed-beam unit available in the US. (I don't know about what a non-Smiths sender might look like.)

Funny thing is, some "knowing" judges, as well as equally "knowing" owners/restorers, will insist on those Lucas sealed beam units on older British cars as well...blissfully ignorant of the fact that Triumphs and many other British cars built specifically for and shipped to the US market often came over on the boats with no headlamps at all. Lucas didn't have a proper sealed beam unit for the US market until around 1964, after which said units WERE routinely installed. Before 1964, headlamps likely were sourced either by the dealer or perhaps by the regional distributor and could easily have been whatever GE or Guide or Sylvania bulb was available. But even after that time, I know of few dealers who would have bothered to stock a "genuine Lucas" sealed beam headlamp. ;-)

I have to wonder if there are judges who might go so far as to ensure the master cylinder is topped off with the proper Girling Crimson brake fluid, the radiator with Bluecol, and to make sure that all other bulbs were either Osram or Mazda brand. ;-)