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NutmegCT
10-17-2012, 07:43 AM
Well, he *tried* to steal the truck ...


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drooartz
10-17-2012, 08:25 AM
That was classic, Tom.

I'm amazed these days at how many of my friends (in their 30s and 40s) can't drive a stick. Not don't like it, but can't do it. It's not that hard to learn, really. My wife doesn't know (and actively refuses to learn), my sister as well. Was camping with a friend last weekend -- on our motorcycles. He admitted to me that he never got the hang of driving a stick, and this is someone who rides a motorcycle with a clutch and shifter... :wall:

I have to drive an auto now, as noted above my wife can't shift and we need to be able to share cars. And I hate it. There's not a thing about the auto that I like (and it's a nice modern 6-speed).

Billm
10-17-2012, 09:24 AM
My wife had always said that she couldn't drive a stick shift until one day I bought a little Datsun and said that she should at least be able to drive it in an emergency. We went to a deserted street and she got in, I was starting to tell her to push in the clutch, etc,etc and OFF we went! She knew all along and just had used that as an excuse for me to never buy a manual car. I learned a thing or two that day.
BillM

JPSmit
10-17-2012, 09:29 AM
Had a friend tell me that his children were all taught to drive stick - especially his daughters so that they would NEVER be stuck in a place where they could not drive. I agree. Needless to say my kids will drive stick - one does. other is learning.

waltesefalcon
10-17-2012, 10:00 AM
My wife also actively avoids learning, but that partly comes from her wrecking my pick-up the one time she did try to drive a stick.

JodyFKerr
10-17-2012, 10:14 AM
That's awesome! Talk about a sales pitch for learning how to drive a stick!

We're presently an automatic household, which sucks. My truck is used for towing, and it's just easier with an automatic. The Explorer is an automatic because I was told that after leg surgery I wouldn't be able to clutch anymore. Only took me 6 months to be able to drive stick again. :smile:

The kids will drive stick shifts. The wife sorta knows but needs practice. I have a pre-restoration Jensen Healey that I intend to get running for her to practice on. That way if she mucks up the clutch we'll be replacing it anyways.

The real positive to having the kids drive a stick, aside from learning to be better drivers, is that none of their peers know how and that will keep them from letting friends drive.

TOC
10-17-2012, 10:31 AM
I tried early on to teach my wife how to drive stick.
Hopeless.
Out in a deserted parking lot, first gear, pull back and down, Fuel, let out the clutch slow.....finally got that sorted.
Now, palm on the shift ball, rev it up in first, clutch down, push up on the ball, you'll feel it drop through neutral....got it.

Everything good. Go out on the main street, she grabs the shift ball, holds it back towards her while coming out of first, and at 25MPH tries to go into reverse.

Cheaper to have a second car with an automatic than to keep rebuilding transmissions.

DrEntropy
10-17-2012, 12:07 PM
If I were King, automatic transmissions (and air conditioning) would be outlawed.


<span style="font-style: italic">EDIT: And that perp pullin' the gat would be D.R.T. in that circumstance if that'd happen here.</span>

JodyFKerr
10-17-2012, 12:12 PM
I'll agree with automatic transmissions, but A/C in the desert is a deal breaker.

judow
10-17-2012, 12:16 PM
I think a stick shift is the best car theft deterent there is. :banana:

DrEntropy
10-17-2012, 12:17 PM
But yours is a DRY heat, Jody!! :jester:

I been without it here for years.

...but I'm told I must be part reptile many times. :smirk:

JodyFKerr
10-17-2012, 12:21 PM
But yours is a DRY heat, Jody!! :jester:

I been without it here for years.

...but I'm told I must be part reptile many times. :smirk:

Yeah, but the inside of the car can get to 140+ degrees in the summer.

Plus, my furry companions can't sweat like I do. I can live without it, but dogs and babies can't.

DrEntropy
10-17-2012, 12:21 PM
Point taken.

JPSmit
10-17-2012, 12:30 PM
I think a stick shift is the best car theft deterent there is. :banana:

Agree, AND also a very good "can I borrow the car?" "Sure but it's stick." "Oh, never mind." especially for college kids deterrent.

JPSmit
10-17-2012, 12:33 PM
If I were King, automatic transmissions (and air conditioning) would be outlawed.

And FWIW Doc, that doesn't even enter the top ten list of why I am glad you aren't king. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/grin.gif

That said, all the cars in the family are currently stick - and the next ones will likely be automatic. Mostly 'cause stick in heavy traffic is a PITA. So is a car without AC even in Canada. When you live in a city like Toronto, stick just doesn't make much sense and let's face it, automatic is miles better than it used to be.

TOC
10-17-2012, 01:28 PM
Stick shift, RHD, Manual choke.......best theft deterrents known, short of a .45ACP

DrEntropy
10-17-2012, 01:39 PM
I'm a bit "downsized" by comparison, Dave: Five speed Spider, LHD, no need fer a steenkin' choke here... and .380 ACP. :wink:

DrEntropy
10-17-2012, 01:41 PM
If I were King, automatic transmissions (and air conditioning) would be outlawed.

And FWIW Doc, that doesn't even enter the top ten list of why I am glad you aren't king. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/grin.gif

That said, all the cars in the family are currently stick - and the next ones will likely be automatic. Mostly 'cause stick in heavy traffic is a PITA. So is a car without AC even in Canada. When you live in a city like Toronto, stick just doesn't make much sense and let's face it, automatic is miles better than it used to be.


BUZZKILLER!

TOC
10-17-2012, 01:46 PM
.380ACP is local, social.....
.45ACP is city and noises in the night.

12GA double is for pit bulls in the yard going after the wife and cat.

waltesefalcon
10-17-2012, 01:52 PM
Doc, I am on board with the stick only and no A/C law and maybe we can add in the bit about manual chokes (I hate having some electric/water thing do what I am perfectly capable of doing myself). And how about outlawing cars with on board computers?

Gliderman8
10-17-2012, 03:53 PM
You might want to add electric parking brakes to the list.... what's so hard about stepping on a pedal to set the brake?

JPSmit
10-17-2012, 04:21 PM
If I were King, automatic transmissions (and air conditioning) would be outlawed.

And FWIW Doc, that doesn't even enter the top ten list of why I am glad you aren't king. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/grin.gif

That said, all the cars in the family are currently stick - and the next ones will likely be automatic. Mostly 'cause stick in heavy traffic is a PITA. So is a car without AC even in Canada. When you live in a city like Toronto, stick just doesn't make much sense and let's face it, automatic is miles better than it used to be.


BUZZKILLER!

:whistle: :devilgrin:

sd80mac7204
10-17-2012, 04:23 PM
Why does an "electronic push button" parking brake sound like a bad idea?

AngliaGT
10-17-2012, 04:49 PM
I was surprised when I realized that all of our vehicles,
except one,are stick shifts.The Dodge Dakota is an automatic,only
because I could find a used one in decent condition with a V6 &amp; 5-
speed.
The Wife's car,a 2007 Ford Fusion,is a 5speed,which is pretty
unusual.

- Doug

TOC
10-17-2012, 04:59 PM
When I bought my current 1950 Ford Tudor in January of 1970, it had an anti-theft device.
There are interior lights....on "Custom" models, there are door switches, but all have a dash knob next to the ash tray. Pull it out, lights are on, push it in lights are off.
Some Bozo had mounted a spare one of these in the back of the glove box wall. Zip cord ran out along the wiring harness (and elsewhere) to the distributor, where the same Bozo had knocked a hole in the bottom of the distributor housing with a big punch. He cut out the flex wire to the breaker plate, connected the zip cord, one to the terminal, one to the points. Connected the rest to the back of the switch.

Get to the jobsite, open the glovebox and smack the maps....pushed the switch in, opened the circuit, there was no way to even hotwire the car.

AngliaGT
10-17-2012, 05:46 PM
The other things that irritate me are daytime running lights,
&amp; vehicles that come with bright driving lights that people are either
too arrogant to turn off,or can't be turned off.

- Doug

JodyFKerr
10-17-2012, 05:49 PM
I agree Doug. I loathe automatic daytime running lights and any other "feature" designed to take my control of the vehicle away from me.

On the flip side I've been wanting auto manufacturers to put potentiometers on brake lights for years. I want to instantly know whether or not the twit ahead of me is standing on his brakes or just resting his foot there.

Sherlock
10-17-2012, 11:04 PM
I agree Doug. I loathe automatic daytime running lights and any other "feature" designed to take my control of the vehicle away from me.

On the flip side I've been wanting auto manufacturers to put potentiometers on brake lights for years. I want to instantly know whether or not the twit ahead of me is standing on his brakes or just resting his foot there.

I come from where daytime running lights originated and I like it, finding it improves visibility of other cars coming toward me at all times of day... Is it now required in the States as well?

Standard transmission? The only thing I'll drive, I think it makes for a better driving experience overall, and thankfully most traffic here in Calgary is fairly light, not many people live here in hinterland... <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/grin.gif But I'm so surprised by how few people I know don't know how, a friend of mine born and raised here (owned an Escort GT stick shift), married a European lady who refused to drive a stick shift, I found it ironic considering that stick shift would be the norm in her home country...

TOC
10-17-2012, 11:08 PM
You don't notice that most of the DRL's are so danged bright you can see the shadow of your head on the sun visor? Or, see the outline of your car on buildings? In broad daylight?
Have to dim the rearview mirror in daylight?
Or, so blinded at dusk in the sideviews when making a turn at a 4 way stop, you almost have to get out of the car to see if there are pedestrians?
Those DRL's?

Sherlock
10-17-2012, 11:35 PM
You don't notice that most of the DRL's are so danged bright you can see the shadow of your head on the sun visor? Or, see the outline of your car on buildings? In broad daylight?
Have to dim the rearview mirror in daylight?
Or, so blinded at dusk in the sideviews when making a turn at a 4 way stop, you almost have to get out of the car to see if there are pedestrians?
Those DRL's?

Never really noticed actually, maybe it's because we've had it up here for so long, I believe it was 1987 or so when it was introduced here...

TOC
10-17-2012, 11:43 PM
Big difference between running with your low beams on or separate, non-adjustable, dilithium crystal retina burners.

AngliaGT
10-18-2012, 12:04 AM
I would like to think that I'm smart enough to turn
on my headlights when needed - not ALL of the time.
And what can you do to disable them when you have a-
low battery?Or when you're parked,&amp; don't need them?

- Doug

Sherlock
10-18-2012, 12:21 AM
Fascinating... I've never thought twice about DRL's, they are just a fact of life and driving up here and it was in place before I even got my drivers license, here's the wikipedia entry - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daytime_running_lamp Under the Swedish entry it suggests that the lower daytime light levels in winter of the more northern areas (Canada certainly qualifies there) make it more desirable, of course that lower light level certainly doesn't exist in California...

weewillie
10-18-2012, 07:20 AM
IMHO drl's are a great safety device when the other car is coming towards you, however what ticks me off is that in low light conditions these people who can see so well with them forget( or don't know) that their rear lights are not on. :hammer: :wall:

and on the original topic I drive an A4 wagon with tiptronic so I have the best of both worlds (even if it is an electronic shift) :banana:

Opa
10-18-2012, 09:53 AM
[quote=AngliaGT]
And what can you do to disable them when you have a-
low battery?Or when you're parked,&amp; don't need them?

- Doug
When the e brake indicator light on the dash is on,DRL'S are off.Most DRL's run on a reduced voltage,somewhere between 6 and 8 volts.Some vehcles the DRL's are wired through the signal lite circut so the headlight goes off when the signal light is activated.
The whole system can be deactivated by pulling the DRL relay at the fuse panel.Illegal around these parts though.
I also have two pick-ups, 05 Ford F150 and a 07 Dakota that are leased to a traffic control company. These trucks run 10-12 hours a day with flashing lights, sign board,four ways etc. so e brake must be set to kill headlights otherwise the charging system will not keep up to usage.

sd80mac7204
10-18-2012, 09:59 AM
My car has a combination drl/auto headlight kill switch... I believe it is there because of the police set up in that car though.

Opa
10-18-2012, 10:15 AM
Dakota on the job

DART
10-18-2012, 11:43 AM
I believe DLR on the LBC is better than driving w/headlights on. Sometimes run parking lights to get a little red showing at the back.

Have auto headlight function on the SAAB that varies the light intensity according to amount of daylight and turns them off when "key" removed. I like it. But I like the Daimler, too, so that may say something bout my mental status.

waltesefalcon
10-18-2012, 06:03 PM
I had no idea that new cars had electronic parking brakes. When did this happen? As for daytime driving lights, when they first came out here I would instinctively start to pull over to the side of the road to wait for the funeral to pass.

Gray_Cat
10-19-2012, 03:30 PM
Spend some time in my neighborhood and you may rethink negative opinons about headlights that automatically come on -
It's WAY too typical to see people driving their cars in the dead of night with either only parking lights on, or no lights at all! I'm not speaking of bangers, or the like, but moms transporting kids etc. - and this includes freeway traffic. :shocked:
Now if there were some automatic way to make cars stop at stop signs/traffic signals but that's a rant for another day! :thumbsup:

TOC
10-19-2012, 04:38 PM
The issue with that is the issue with all "automatic safety devices". You make it so the morons don't have to think, and BINGO! they don't think any more! Howinthehell did we function all those decaeds WITHOUT automatic headlights?
Since their dash lights aren't on either, they obviously are too busy on their cell or texting to have a clue.

ecurie_ecosse
10-19-2012, 05:58 PM
They have been preparing us over the last decade,so that when the driverless car takes over we won't be surprised!! :devilgrin: :jester:

Stuart. :cheers:

Billm
10-19-2012, 06:28 PM
A couple of weeks ago our wonderful ("Moonbeam") governor just OK'ed the existence of driverless cars on our streets (California).
BillM

DrEntropy
10-19-2012, 09:46 PM
Not our prob, Bill. YOUR electorate decided.

:pukeface:

TOC
10-20-2012, 02:57 PM
They should have learned first time around.