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planenut
10-13-2012, 06:23 AM
I have just rescued a Triumph Estate Wagon, which is a Standard 10. It has some front end damage, and the engine and trans are missing. I understand the engine/trans won't be too much of a problem. However, I'm trying to decide what's best for the car. It only has 34K miles on it, and the interior isn't in too bad a shape. I don't think the damage will be too hard to repair, either. The big question is parts. Most people don't even know what this car is. My search shows parts to be non existant. Anyone have any ideas what to do with this car?

Brinkerhoff
10-13-2012, 08:28 AM
It depends on what you want to do. If you want a nice Triumph Estate wagon go buy the nicest one you can and use this one for parts. Or sell this one for parts. The reason you can't find parts is that nobody wants to restore them or keep them on the road. Why torture yourself? For lack of one small hard to find part , you won't be able to use the car. What fun would that be? The most Triumph for the money right now is the TR4 , which is a great car and easy to find parts for. That's what make these cars fun to own. I know of a nice Herald conv. that has been sitting for 40 yrs. ( still waiting for spares to show up from the old country). Cheers mate ! Kevin

Andrew Mace
10-13-2012, 08:43 AM
Try to "preserve" the car as much as you can; fix what needs fixing, clean and polish the rest as best you can, and then enjoy it! Yes, there are folks who have restored these cars, primarily because they love them, since it costs as much to restore these as any other car but the market value isn't there when you done as it might be with a TR or even Spitfire/GT6! Parts are not as bad as you might think, as there's a good bit of commonality with other Triumphs. There is also a great resource with the Standard Motor Club in the UK.

Oh, and hopefully you can satisfactorily repair any damage to the front fenders, as replacements are almost impossible to find anywhere in the world! :frown:

I personally would like to hear and see more about the car and also list it in my Database (link below in my .sig file). Please look around the Triumph 10 section of my site, and take a look at A Pack of Tens (https://apackoftens.com/) as well for some possible motivation!

NOTE to Kevin: I'd like to hear more about that Herald, too! :wink:

Marvin Gruber
10-13-2012, 08:56 AM
There's an Estate Wagon here at my place. It was my father's. Its been since passed on to my younger brother. Dad drove it to work for almost 20 years. Dad did modify it. Still has all Triumph parts in it. It now has a Spitfire 1500 engine and trans. 1500 disk brakes with wire wheels. A TR4A solid axle rear with wire wheels as well. There was an overdrive unit in it but that was removed years ago. Don't know if my brother will ever do anything with it buts its stored in the dry for now.

Marv

philman
10-17-2012, 10:17 PM
i have an old estate wagon. the front end parts look like spitfire parts. my plan is to pick up a rusted out triumph and replacing the front drum brakes with disc brakes. I haven't had any trouble getting brake parts and such.

philman
10-18-2012, 09:10 AM
I also found a shop manual for a Standard 10 on the UK ebay site relatively reasonably priced.

cheseroo
10-18-2012, 09:56 AM
This sedan (https://orangecounty.craigslist.org/cto/3274037133.html) has been on the local CL for well over a year with an optimistic price tag (at least he dropped it 1000)

Andrew Mace
10-18-2012, 11:38 AM
i have an old estate wagon. the front end parts look like spitfire parts. my plan is to pick up a rusted out triumph and replacing the front drum brakes with disc brakes. I haven't had any trouble getting brake parts and such. The parts are similar, and the Spitfire parts should be adaptable to the 10 front end. The ideal would be to find early Spitfire bolt-on caliper brackets rather than using the later Spitfire upright with its integral brackets; I have heard from a number of sources that the tie rod piece that goes with the later Spitfire upright can foul the road spring on the 10.

If you're upgrading a 10 to a Spitfire engine, the front discs might be worthwhile; otherwise, the only good reason to do so is because it's getting <span style="font-style: italic">very</span> difficult to find the front brake shoes (at least in the later 8" x 1.25" size).

planenut
10-21-2012, 05:53 PM
Well, I've been so busy the last few weeks, and haven't taken time to devote to the "10". I did go to the VTR, but I'm not ready to join, so I can't register the VIN of the car. It's still in the back of my mind, though. Too many projects ahead of it. I would like to find it a good home, though.

Andrew Mace
10-21-2012, 07:04 PM
If you have that and any other numbers, I'd still like them (and at least the car's current state of residence -- I assume GA) for my Database. Any surviving 10 is worth (my) knowing about! I could even mention that it's for sale if that's what you're planning to do.

planenut
10-28-2012, 06:14 PM
Thanks for the interest. It is a Triumph 10HP, S/N TBE57133LSC. The data plate is from the Standard Motot Company. By the shape of the fenders, it's a 1960, or up. I don't think I've really found firm confirmation what year it is.

Andrew Mace
10-28-2012, 07:39 PM
I don't know anyone (yet, and this is NOT a hint) who has obtained a build record on the later 10 wagons such as yours. Generally, though, that high a commission number and the "hooded headlamp" front fenders are indicative of the 1960 model year for the US. Meanwhile, thanks for the number; ANOTHER one to add to my Database of 10s! :laugh:

planenut
11-03-2012, 09:01 PM
Was the 1960 the last year for the USA?

Andrew Mace
11-03-2012, 10:09 PM
Was the 1960 the last year for the USA?
Yes, it was, although a: I suspect that many/most of those "1960" models were more or less "leftovers" and b: I'm pretty sure they were still being price-listed by Standard-Triumph USA in early 1961.

FWIW, short of obtaining a BMIHT build certificate, you might be able to get a fair idea of when the car was actually built by looking closely at the various Lucas components. There's a good chance that the starter and generator might NOT be originals, but there's an equally good chance that the voltage regulator or some other switch might be original. I suspect you'll find a "x 59" date code somewhere (x representing a month). I haven't looked in a very long time, but I'm pretty sure I remember that my "1960" wagon (TBE56563LSC) has several original 1959-dated Lucas bits.

TR4nut
11-04-2012, 05:29 AM
We had 5 of them show up at the VTR Nationals - all from the same family. Great cars:
https://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t145/deruiterville/2012%20VTR%20Nationals/IMG_8213.jpg
https://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t145/deruiterville/2012%20VTR%20Nationals/IMG_8212.jpg
https://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t145/deruiterville/2012%20VTR%20Nationals/IMG_8211.jpg
https://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t145/deruiterville/2012%20VTR%20Nationals/IMG_8209.jpg
https://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t145/deruiterville/2012%20VTR%20Nationals/IMG_8208.jpg

Andrew Mace
11-04-2012, 02:29 PM
Ah yes, David Freeman's A Pack of Tens (https://apackoftens.com/)!

planenut
11-05-2012, 05:55 PM
I thought that looked like his. Nice collection. Mine is supposed to look like the blue and white one.

Andrew Mace
11-05-2012, 09:50 PM
I thought that looked like his. Nice collection. Mine is supposed to look like the blue and white one. Right, except the front end would (or should) look more like this one:

https://www.fairpoint.net/~herald948/database/tbe56915a.jpg

planenut
11-06-2012, 07:27 PM
Yep, that's it.

StagByTriumph
11-20-2012, 12:23 AM
There's an Estate Wagon here at my place. It was my father's. Its been since passed on to my younger brother. Dad drove it to work for almost 20 years. Dad did modify it. Still has all Triumph parts in it. It now has a Spitfire 1500 engine and trans. 1500 disk brakes with wire wheels. A TR4A solid axle rear with wire wheels as well. There was an overdrive unit in it but that was removed years ago. Don't know if my brother will ever do anything with it buts its stored in the dry for now.

Marv

So Marv,
Are you planning on selling this? If so, speak up!

In any case, Dave Pilcher in RRTC has a couple of Standard 10 Estates, had one at VTR Breckenridge 2011 that was quite cool. I recall he as a few of them.

Cheers!

StagByTriumph
04-03-2014, 11:53 AM
After a discussion about my TR250, I had a guy here at Mercedes tell me he has a Triumph 'something' in a shed on his fathers property that 'looked like that'.

Thinking he had a TR4, I had been bugging him for some photos and he finally got some.

It don't 'look like that', but ...

It sure looks to be a `59 or `60 Standard Ten Estate.

The photos do not show enough to make a good assessment so I need to go have a more in person look. I will post some photos as I get them.

Initially it looks not dented, and all glass in place, motor is out. Guessing the interior is a mouse nest if it is there, who knows.
If it is not dented or severely rotted, and has all the parts, what is the range it could be worth to buy?
I see that these do not bring a ton of dollars when fully restored, but it could be a fun toy if the tin worm has not destroyed it as most are.
At minimum it is historically significant, someone could use it for a parts base.

StagByTriumph
04-03-2014, 01:10 PM
Photos are not that good until I get out there with my own camera. Definitely looks like a 59 or 60 by the grill


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Cheers!

Andrew Mace
04-03-2014, 07:26 PM
Commission number will tell me (and you) if it's a '58 or '59. A 1960 model year car will have the "hooded headlamp" front fenders and a different grille -- the Pennant-style front end. If the bonnet badge is present somewhere and original to the car, a '58 (low TBE commission number) will have a black/red badge, and a 1959 (comm. no. TBE35001 or above) will have the blue/white version of the badge. (1960 would be TBE55001 or higher.)

StagByTriumph
04-05-2014, 01:10 PM
Commission number will tell me (and you) if it's a '58 or '59. A 1960 model year car will have the "hooded headlamp" front fenders and a different grille -- the Pennant-style front end. If the bonnet badge is present somewhere and original to the car, a '58 (low TBE commission number) will have a black/red badge, and a 1959 (comm. no. TBE35001 or above) will have the blue/white version of the badge. (1960 would be TBE55001 or higher.)

Yes I agree now that I look at the photos again, probably 58 or 59. It might be a few weeks before I get to go see it.
Next question is, do I want to rescue it, and what is it potentially worth as a basket case.
There are maybe 4 or 5 people in North America who might be interested.

Andrew Mace
04-05-2014, 05:32 PM
Yes I agree now that I look at the photos again, probably 58 or 59. It might be a few weeks before I get to go see it.
Next question is, do I want to rescue it, and what is it potentially worth as a basket case.
There are maybe 4 or 5 people in North America who might be interested.
Glenn, I think that number is low; it's probably closer to 10. ;)

I've seen similar "basket cases" advertised in recent years sometime in four figures. I've no idea if such asking prices are ever acheived; I rather doubt it. It would, of course, be a labor of love to restore the car. Really nice originals and decently well-restored cars do bring decent money, but (like almost every other collector car ever) that decent money likely will never begin to approach the investment one makes in the restoration. :(

Andrew Mace
04-05-2014, 06:51 PM
Here's a good reference point for those interested.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Triumph-Other-estate/301144527661?_trksid=p2045573.c100033.m2042&_trkparms=aid%3D111000%26algo%3DREC.RVI%26ao%3D1%2 6asc%3D20263%26meid%3D5999141014491600758%26pid%3D 100033%26prg%3D9059%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D4%26sd%3D1512 71320055

If that link doesn't work, look for item # 301144527661 (completed auctions)

For anoraks, I happen to know the commission number on this car, which pretty much fits in the 1959 model year range. However, it likely was built in calendar year 1958, before Standard and Triumph badges changed from red and black to blue and white!

carl w french
04-29-2014, 10:48 PM
Going to look at a '60 Estate this week. Bringing cash. Wife wants quirky LBC. :-)