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RagTopMan
07-23-2012, 10:00 PM
The two wires leading to the PDWA, from my car's harness, are just bare on the ends. From the looks of the PDWA switch, it appears that there ought to be some kind of plug or fitting that the two wires should be connected to and then that connector would be pushed onto the switch. Make any sense?

I have know idea if this is correct as whatever should be there is gone from my car and I can't find a good picture or diagram anywhere. There is one at Buckeye Triumphs but I can't quite make out what I'm looking at or what I need.

Thanks - Bob

TR3driver
07-23-2012, 10:40 PM
From the looks of the PDWA switch, it appears that there ought to be some kind of plug or fitting that the two wires should be connected to and then that connector would be pushed onto the switch. Make any sense?
Prezactly.

There were at least two different styles of connector, AFAIK both have been NLA for a long time. Sorry for the poor photos, not mine. This one was grabbed from the Buckeye Triumphs web site:

TR3driver
07-23-2012, 10:41 PM
Here's what I think is the later style, from a eBay auction:

dklawson
07-24-2012, 07:08 AM
The switch itself only provides a path to ground for the wires connected to the switch. So... even if you cannot find the plug you need, you can use female sockets from a Molex type connector (should be available at Mouser.com and others). Crimp those onto the end of the wires and push the sockets over the pins in the switch.

That said, I thought someone had posted about a similar switch used on a Ford or GM product that used a nearly identical plug that would work. Hopefully someone else reading this post will remember the same and be able to tell you what part to ask for.

EDIT: This is not what I was thinking about but... the link below is for a plug used with the second switch type that Randall posted the picture for.
https://www.ldparts.co.uk/shop/shop.php?c...a478a0577be22eb (https://www.ldparts.co.uk/shop/shop.php?c=viewproduct&pid=829&cat=30&sid=sid27c12 5d891499af81a478a0577be22eb)

dklawson
07-24-2012, 07:32 AM
Rather than edit again, I'll make a new post. This time searching gave me better results.

Ford used a very, very similar switch that may even fit the British PDWA. It is Ford part number: C8AZ-2B264-A
If you google for the switch by part number it is still available. The link below lists vehicles where the Ford switch was used.
https://www.drakeautomotivegroup.com/Store/Product/C8AZ-2B264-A.aspx?wid=141
With a little leg work you may just find that Ford also has a mating connector for the switch.

Failing that, on another link I stumbled on, it was suggested that you can take a female spade lug connector and open up its end with needle nose pliers so the female crimp connector will push onto the two posts inside the PDWA switch. Since those two posts on the PDWA are tied together in the switch, the spade lug solution will work fine. However, there will not be any "seal" around the connection so a bit of dielectric grease may be helpful to prevent corrosion.

Brosky
07-24-2012, 08:59 AM
You can see more about it at my site here: https://www.74tr6.com/pdwa.htm

Either side of that switch is usable, or in other words, both terminals on top lead to the same pin on the bottom , so use one or both, it will be the same.

RagTopMan
07-24-2012, 09:16 AM
Thanks guys. I'm thinking two female spade connectors are what I am going to end up doing. Finding that connector looks like the proverbial needle in a haystack for sure.

Though I love the hunt, after two years on safari for this car... I need a break!

TR3driver
07-24-2012, 01:24 PM
Either side of that switch is usable, or in other words, both terminals on top lead to the same pin on the bottom , so use one or both, it will be the same.

Not certain, but I believe the TR250 arrangement relied on the switch to connect the two top terminals together (meaning one of the wires is a ground), rather than relying on the ground through the switch and shuttle. It also used a different shuttle design, which may have something to do with the wiring/plug change.

Number_6
07-24-2012, 02:19 PM
Moss Europe has it their site (No. 79: AAU1700A SWITCH, pressure warning 33.95) Although it's a little pricey at about $53.

LHD Brake Pipes & Fittings (https://www.moss-europe.co.uk/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=2405#79)

Brosky
07-24-2012, 08:30 PM
Just make life easy on yourself and go to NAPA and get a pack of these and one will fit perfectly, as you see below.

Put a little dielectric grease in there an you are good to go. You can add a nice shrink wrap on the wires going into and over the end of it and it will look like a factory plug.

Number_6
07-24-2012, 09:07 PM
Well yeah, you could do that for about a buck compared to $53, but Paul, then it wouldn't be concours. :laugh:

glemon
07-24-2012, 09:50 PM
My car, an early TR250, CD2004L, has a single wire switch, it appears to be original, the wiring harness is original and uncut. Paul that looks like an easy fit for the two prong plug, great idea/find.

RagTopMan
07-29-2012, 09:52 AM
My car, an early TR250, CD2004L, has a single wire switch, it appears to be original, the wiring harness is original and uncut. Paul that looks like an easy fit for the two prong plug, great idea/find.



OK. So is that single wire at the switch fitting white with a black stripe?

I was able to aquire a later TR6 plug that has a single wire lead coming from it. It is black with a purple stripe but I obviously could care less as to the color. If I butt the white with a black wire from my harness to the black with a purple stripe lead from the plug I found, I think I will be all set.

Here's what I'm trying to resolve. I've got three wires coming from the harness near the PDWA. One is white with a black stripe, one is solid black, and the other is a thicker solid (off) white. I'm confident the white with a black stripe should be going to the PDWA switch but the other two are a mystery.

Page 91 of Dan Masters' handbook shows this in detail but I still can't reconcile what his diagrams are showing with what wires I have available.

I'll try to post a couple of pictures soon.

hondo402000
07-29-2012, 10:31 AM
I concur
your 250 shows WB going to the PDWA switch, later models show 73 on show BP wire to the switch, not sure what the other wires go to, if not in use I would tape the ends and wire tie them to the harness and figue out where they go, there is a White Brown that goes to the low oil pressure swtich on your year, and black it most always a ground and I think white is hot, I think switched
you could check that with a Volt ohm meter

Hondo

angelfj1
07-29-2012, 10:48 AM
My car, an early TR250, CD2004L, has a single wire switch, it appears to be original, the wiring harness is original and uncut. Paul that looks like an easy fit for the two prong plug, great idea/find.



OK. So is that single wire at the switch fitting white with a black stripe?

I was able to aquire a later TR6 plug that has a single wire lead coming from it. It is black with a purple stripe but I obviously could care less as to the color. If I butt the white with a black wire from my harness to the black with a purple stripe lead from the plug I found, I think I will be all set.

Here's what I'm trying to resolve. I've got three wires coming from the harness near the PDWA. One is white with a black stripe, one is solid black, and the other is a thicker solid (off) white. I'm confident the white with a black stripe should be going to the PDWA switch but the other two are a mystery.

Page 91 of Dan Masters' handbook shows this in detail but I still can't reconcile what his diagrams are showing with what wires I have available.

I'll try to post a couple of pictures soon.

ragtopman:

I also have an early TR250 CD1510LO, but the production point doesn't matter as all TR250's and 1969 TR6 models used the same wiring loom.

See attached DMasters diagram, the British wiring convention is white for ignition switched loads.

Note, there was a wire missing in my copy of the diagram. I added a wire (shown in black but marked W for white) between the ignition switch and fuse block.

So, any wire that is white feeds a load that is only energized when the ignition switch is in the ON position. For your TR250 (and mine) this means:
1 alternator warning lamp {white}
2 ignition coil {white}
3 brake warning lamp(PDWA){white/black tracer}
4 low oil pressure lamp {white/brown tracer}

Except for 1, these wires exit the loom at about the same point. In addition and as you stated there is a black wire (always ground/earth) HTH

Cheers, Frank

https://i981.photobucket.com/albums/ae297/trtags/BRAKES.jpg

glemon
07-29-2012, 04:06 PM
Yes, it is a White with black wire going to the PDWA on my car.

Greg

RagTopMan
07-30-2012, 06:07 PM
Thanks everyone. Here's the newly installed rebuilt PDWA wired to the black/white wire from my harness. The circuit seems to work exactly as described in the Masters handbook. With the key in the 1st position, both the brake and oil pressure warning lights glow dimly (each receiving 6 volts). Within a second or two after start-up, once oil pressure comes up, both lights go out.

I still have the mystery of the solid black and solid white wires, shown in the photo below, that are coming out of the loom near the PDWA.

Anyone with a TR250 or early TR6 have any ideas? I'm going to start a new thread on my final electrical issue, that being an ALT warning light that stays on unless I disconnect the battery. Perhaos that is a hint as to where these wires might belong?

https://i1257.photobucket.com/albums/ii505/TR250guy/PDWA3.jpg

angelfj1
07-30-2012, 06:42 PM
Thanks everyone. Here's the newly installed rebuilt PDWA wired to the black/white wire from my harness. The circuit seems to work exactly as described in the Masters handbook. With the key in the 1st position, both the brake and oil pressure warning lights glow dimly (each receiving 6 volts). Within a second or two after start-up, once oil pressure comes up, both lights go out.

I still have the mystery of the solid black and solid white wires, shown in the photo below, that are coming out of the loom near the PDWA.

Anyone with a TR250 or early TR6 have any ideas? I'm going to start a new thread on my final electrical issue, that being an ALT warning light that stays on unless I disconnect the battery. Perhaos that is a hint as to where these wires might belong?

https://i1257.photobucket.com/albums/ii505/TR250guy/PDWA3.jpg

RAGTOPMAN

<span style="font-weight: bold">Did you read my post?

See #861402 above.

Solid WHITE is +12 VOLTS, IGNITION
Solid BLACK is GROUND (EARTH)

If you have another IGNITION feed that's OK - just tape up the white wire to prevent a short.
Same for the black ground if you dont need it.</span>

RagTopMan
07-30-2012, 07:09 PM
I did read your post Frank. I'm just slow to come around to the idea of a lead that clearly looks to have been there for a purpose being taped up and tucked away. Then again, some would say I'm just slow period. :frown:

Here's a shot of the wires emanating from the loom at the alternator. So the white wire (almost entirely encased in black shrink wrap) coming from here and leading to the coil is my ignition source?

https://i1257.photobucket.com/albums/ii505/TR250guy/alt1.jpg

glemon
07-30-2012, 10:21 PM
Bob, My TR250 is just that same, I have the white and black wires near the PDWA, I hooked the black to ground, the near the PDWA goes nowhere, I have the white wire nearer the alternator hooked up to the coil like you have as well.

It has me curious, but everything is working as it should on my car from an electrical perspective, so ???? don't know what it was for.

Agree Frank, white is for ignition cicuit sure, but I too feel the white wire wouldn't be there if it didn't have a specific purpose.

Anyway Bob, it appears they were all or at least some made that way.

RagTopMan
07-30-2012, 11:02 PM
Thanks Greg. Your confirmation of my set-up helps a great deal. Maybe we're both wrong but since it appears that each of our cars is working correctly... I'm going with it!

hondo402000
07-31-2012, 08:34 AM
well you could use your multi meter and see if the white wire has voltage when the ignition is in the off position, then in the on position, and just ground that black wire, cant have too many ground wires on a british car

if the white wire is hot use it for some gadget( engine compartment lamp)

Maybe both the black and white could have been used for the optional Overdrive unit???

Hondo

hondo402000
07-31-2012, 08:39 AM
Just looked at the OD section in the wiring diagram, their is a black wire and a white in the OD diagram I could assume thats where those wires would run if you had a overdrive, maybe someone with a TR250 and Overdrive can confirm that

Hondo

angelfj1
07-31-2012, 06:26 PM
[quote=RagTopMan]I did read your post Frank. I'm just slow to come around to the idea of a lead that clearly looks to have been there for a purpose being taped up and tucked away. Then again, some would say I'm just slow period. :frown:

<span style="font-style: italic">Bob: Sorry, I meant no disrespect. Your photo looks OK to me and others have said the same. </span>

So the white wire (almost entirely encased in black shrink wrap) coming from here and leading to the coil is my ignition source?

<span style="font-style: italic">Yes, if you connect a test lamp to that wire it should light up when the ignition key is turned ON.</span>

Question: Is your alternator a Lucas type 15AC?

Thanks , Frank

RagTopMan
08-01-2012, 07:58 PM
<span style="font-style: italic">Bob: Sorry, I meant no disrespect. Your photo looks OK to me and others have said the same. </span>

So the white wire (almost entirely encased in black shrink wrap) coming from here and leading to the coil is my ignition source?

<span style="font-style: italic">Yes, if you connect a test lamp to that wire it should light up when the ignition key is turned ON.</span>

Question: Is your alternator a Lucas type 15AC?

Thanks , Frank
No worries, Frank. I really do appreciate your help with this.

Yes, that is a Lucas 15AC alternator.

RagTopMan
08-01-2012, 08:02 PM
Just looked at the OD section in the wiring diagram, their is a black wire and a white in the OD diagram I could assume thats where those wires would run if you had a overdrive, maybe someone with a TR250 and Overdrive can confirm that

Hondo
By God I think you've stumbled onto something here! I definitely do not have overdrive so this makes a whole lot of sense.

glemon
08-03-2012, 07:46 PM
I have been studying wiring diagrams, it appears to me the white wire that goes to nowhere may be the wire for the fuel pump on the petrol injection cars.

The charts show a white wire going to an electric fuel pump on those cars, maybe they used the same wiring harness.

I just read the Piggot originality book and it says only the first 24 or so TR5s had the fuel pump in the engine bay, so maybe that shoots my theory or maybe they had ordered up a bunch of harnesess to the early spec and used them up?

Just an idea.

angelfj1
08-04-2012, 10:43 AM
I have been studying wiring diagrams, it appears to me the white wire that goes to nowhere may be the wire for the fuel pump on the petrol injection cars.

The charts show a white wire going to an electric fuel pump on those cars, maybe they used the same wiring harness.

I just read the Piggot originality book and it says only the first 24 or so TR5s had the fuel pump in the engine bay, so maybe that shoots my theory or maybe they had ordered up a bunch of harnesess to the early spec and used them up?

Just an idea.

Not likely since PI cars, electric fuel pump was/is located in the boot.

DNK
08-04-2012, 10:45 AM
Wasn't there something above about the first cars had pumps in the engine area?

glemon
08-04-2012, 11:55 AM
I have been studying wiring diagrams, it appears to me the white wire that goes to nowhere may be the wire for the fuel pump on the petrol injection cars.

The charts show a white wire going to an electric fuel pump on those cars, maybe they used the same wiring harness.

I just read the Piggot originality book and it says only the first 24 or so TR5s had the fuel pump in the engine bay, so maybe that shoots my theory or maybe they had ordered up a bunch of harnesess to the early spec and used them up?

Just an idea.

Not likely since PI cars, electric fuel pump was/is located in the boot.

I think I noted that in my post.