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SilentUnicorn
06-21-2012, 08:04 PM
1928 MB (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2161571/100mph-1928-Mercedes-60-years-rusting-away-garage-worth-1-5m.html?ITO=1490)

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Sherlock
06-21-2012, 08:38 PM
Wish my garage hid something that nice... Oh wait, I don't have a garage! <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/grin.gif

Heck, I just want to see that car in person, not likely to happen though...

tk421
06-21-2012, 09:02 PM
It is fun to look at pre-WW2 cars' horsepowers. You could have a 6L Supercharged V8 and it would barely get to 99mph.

The Mercedes G4 and 770 Grosser are fun reads.

Boink
06-21-2012, 09:39 PM
Check out this 1929 Napier Bentley ("W" 12) throwing flames out the exhaust. 24 liters.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIL02wNRoCg

And then there's this Packard-Bentley 42 liter car!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DruAUxV9kaI&amp;feature=fvwrel

ecurie_ecosse
06-21-2012, 09:54 PM
And no emission controls!!! Oh,and not much brake power either. :devilgrin: :jester:

Stuart. :cheers:

Sherlock
06-21-2012, 10:51 PM
That top Mercedes does remind me of an old Lincoln I saw a few years ago at a car show... The Lincoln came in late and had no dash card so everyone was guessing (and admiring), the car was tatty but clearly a runner, certainly looked to be an original condition car... Photos you ask? <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/grin.gif

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/27/45191104_c1665da99f_z.jpg

And the interior... Gorgeous isn't it...

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/24/45191103_a0f61a499c_z.jpg

Boink
06-21-2012, 11:41 PM
That top Mercedes does remind me of an old Lincoln I saw a few years ago at a car show... The Lincoln came in late and had no dash card so everyone was guessing (and admiring), the car was tatty but clearly a runner, certainly looked to be an original condition car...

That old Lincoln body looks more like a boat. Love that craftmanship.

aeronca65t
06-22-2012, 05:00 AM
Great stuff! That 42 liter Bentley-Packard is an evil beast!

One of my favourites in this catagory is "Mephistopheles".
An aero-engined FIAT. It's <span style="text-decoration: underline">only</span> got a 22 liter six cylinder, but still a fierce looking thing!

https://www.ultimatecarpage.com/images/large/4793/Fiat-Mephistopheles_5.jpg

SilentUnicorn
06-22-2012, 07:15 AM
Great stuff! That 42 liter Bentley-Packard is an evil beast!

One of my favourites in this catagory is "Mephistopheles".
An aero-engined FIAT. It's <span style="text-decoration: underline">only</span> got a 22 liter six cylinder, but still a fierce looking thing!

https://www.ultimatecarpage.com/images/large/4793/Fiat-Mephistopheles_5.jpg

Whoa!

Here is a pic of the Engine (https://www.bigscalemodels.com/cars/fiat_mefistofele/fiat_mefistofele_photo_big/fiat-mephistopheles19.jpg)
Anda site about it https://www.bigscalemodels.com/cars/fiat_mefistofele/mephistopheles.html


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Boink
06-22-2012, 11:51 AM
One of my favourites in this catagory is "Mephistopheles".
An aero-engined FIAT. It's <span style="text-decoration: underline">only</span> got a 22 liter six cylinder, but still a fierce looking thing!

Love these airplanes on wheels. As for the Fiat, wow, that's 3.7 liters per cylinder!!!!!!! I'm envisioning a 2 liter Coke bottle and it's pushing nearly twice that for displacement! Do we know the piston diameters? They must be monsters. :yesnod:

SilentUnicorn
06-22-2012, 01:00 PM
Specifications (A.12)

Data from[citation needed]
General characteristics

Type: 6-cylinder liquid-cooled inline engine.
Bore: 160 mm (6.30 in)
Stroke: 180 mm (7.09 in)
Displacement: 21.71 L (1,325.1 cu in)
Length: 1,780 mm (70 in)
Width: 560 mm (22 in)
Height: 1,130 mm (44.5 in)
Dry weight: 415 kg (915 lb)

Components

Fuel system: Carburetor
Fuel type: octane
Cooling system: Liquid

Performance

Power output: 245 hp[vague] at 1,700 rpm

Banjo
06-22-2012, 03:23 PM
Great stuff. All of it in this thread!
I love the Aero Cars too. My favorite is the Franzisse. It runs a Curtiss OX-5 (Jenny) V-8.
Glenn Curtiss had his shops set up about 60 miles from here.
Here's a video of another OX-5 powered car under construction. I LOVE the sound of that engine!

https://www.youtube.com/v/JorOKVvDp_0KVvDp_0" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="350"> </embed></object>

waltesefalcon
06-22-2012, 05:37 PM
Very Cool Car. It would be a classy addition to my collection. Now I just need to go get my check book.

Boink
06-22-2012, 06:35 PM
Type: 6-cylinder
Bore: 160 mm (6.30 in)
Stroke: 180 mm (7.09 in)


Holy crap!!! Amazing. And no wonder it gets its big HP (for its time) at only 1700rpm.

Silverghost
06-22-2012, 07:52 PM
I think Leno has an aero-car of this vintage.......

Banjo
06-23-2012, 08:09 AM
OK, I think that 42 Liter Packard- Bently is the biggest, nastiest, meanest, old race car I've ever seen!

aeronca65t
06-23-2012, 09:01 AM
I think Leno has an aero-car of this vintage.......

Close. His has a 30 liter V12 tank engine. LINK (https://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/jay-leno/4206704)

https://media.popularmechanics.com/images/0107-leno-tankcar.jpg

Boink
06-23-2012, 10:03 AM
https://media.popularmechanics.com/images/0107-leno-tankcar.jpg[/img]

I see that "with a little work" they doubled its mileage... from 3 to 6mpg! Not bad for the era really. As I recall, there were early, BIG firetrucks that measured fuel consumption is gallons/mile. :yesnod: