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TR6BILL
11-03-2011, 09:20 AM
My '09 Toyota Tacoma Prerunner has the DTRL option, Day Time Running Lights, that have overheated and burned and cracked the housings. The lights still work but the problem is getting worse to the point that I will have to change the whole headlight units, to the tune of $600+. The truck is out of warranty and the dealer said tough. I called Toyota in California and they said they never heard of the problem. Lying SOBs. The internet brought up hundreds of these problems with that year Tacoma, all because Toyota put in too hot a bulb in that year only. And they refuse to admit to it. Couple that with my AM/FM radio CD goes on for no reason, they changed it twice under warranty and now is doing it again. Toyota said they never heard of such. The internet says otherwise, very common problem with the 09's. Think I have bought my last Toyota...

vagt6
11-03-2011, 10:48 AM
What a pain, Bill.

Could be that you have a pennypinching dealer? Maybe try another dealer? Of course you can check junkyards for the parts to save a bit.

Man, if we can't rely on Toyota, we're in trouble. Pretty bulletproof cars, generally.

Bummer. :yesnod:

drooartz
11-03-2011, 11:51 AM
Junkyard's probably your best bet. Find a rolled or rotted out one and grab the housings.

And if you want to pick a car company that has a great record of really listening to their customers and fixing all issues, then you'd better take up walking. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/grin.gif

rkep01
11-03-2011, 03:08 PM
I've got a 2005 Yukon that has very hot DTRL as well, although they haven't melted the sockets or housings yet but the sockets are very heat discolored and I have to replace the bulbs every year or so. :frown:

leecreek
11-03-2011, 03:19 PM
Have you checked RockAuto?

TR6BILL
11-04-2011, 09:21 AM
A followup on my dilemma, I went back to the Toyota shop where I bought my truck and he gave me a Toyota help line to call. He didn't think I would sit in the parking lot and call. Got back to Toyota Pomona, told the gal how I had researched the net to find this problem quite common. She agreed to look at my case, had me fax a copy of the estimate ($803.00!!!) to her and will see if there is anything they can do. I think I will get screwed but worth trying. Heck, at those prices, maintaining an LBC is not so bad!

DrEntropy
11-04-2011, 09:36 AM
Heck, at those prices, maintaining an LBC is not so bad!

That's been my contention for years. Another thing is,I see one and two year old cars with bulbs out. Never could figure that. Some of the lamps in my cars are thirty+ years old.

And the one-piece, plastic headlamp housings are a TOTAL rip-off, IMO. Seems the things are designed to rot/melt/fail in less than five years. All the ones I've replaced are a minimum of $150 for knock-off Chinese ones and $300+ from dealers.

DNK
11-04-2011, 09:50 AM
The wife's old, now my kids, 2003 Accord went thru about 7 headlamps in about 5 years.

coldplugs
11-04-2011, 11:15 AM
...

And the one-piece, plastic headlamp housings are a TOTAL rip-off, IMO. Seems the things are designed to rot/melt/fail in less than five years. All the ones I've replaced are a minimum of $150 for knock-off Chinese ones and $300+ from dealers.

I don't know if they're <span style="font-style: italic">designed</span> to fail but they sure seem to. And the cost is appalling.

Re the Tacoma: Good luck Bill. I have an '05 Tacoma (first year of the "new" style). Most unsatisfying truck I've ever had. I bought it new to replace my '87 Toyota truck that had 165000+ miles on it. My daughter still has the '87.

I and another Tacoma (2011) owner spent an hour last weekend trying to dissuade a neighbor from buying one. I figure I'll keep it a while longer (it's comfortable - I'll give it that) but only because I don't want to spend the money on something else.

Nunyas
11-04-2011, 11:50 AM
the '87 'yotas were good looking trucks, and built to be trucks at that! Why would you get rid of that in favor of one of the new wannabe sedans they're calling trucks these days?

Definitely owning and maintaining an LBC is less expensive than buying a new car. Parts for the LBCs are so much lower. With strategic upgrades, reliability of an LBC can be just as good as any new car on the market. Granted, you may upset purists, but to each his own.

SilentUnicorn
11-04-2011, 12:30 PM
Before i buy another Toyota-(and i have owned several) i plan on walking around it with a Geiger counter.....


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Banjo
11-04-2011, 03:34 PM
Before i buy another Toyota-(and i have owned several) i plan on walking around it with a Geiger counter.....


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SilentUnicorn
11-04-2011, 04:54 PM
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnew...ctive-cars.html (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/japan/8849664/Japanese-dealers-selling-radioactive-cars.html)

3798j
11-04-2011, 05:35 PM
My next door neighbor took his '99 Tacoma in for servicing, they wouldn't return it to him. He had no idea the extent of the problem that occured: https://tacoma-upgrade.com/2009/06/info-o...l-for-rust.html (https://tacoma-upgrade.com/2009/06/info-on-the-19955-through-2004-toyota-tacoma-frame-recall-for-rust.html)
Toyota correctly wrote him a check for the high side retail value of the vehicle. While absolutely no argument with the settlement, he's not shopping a Toyota replacement.

TR6BILL
11-04-2011, 05:39 PM
Now you are making me queasy. Need to go back to GM, methinks.
Whatever happened to Toyota being bulletproof?

DNK
11-04-2011, 06:00 PM
Any chance Triumph will do that??

SilentUnicorn
11-04-2011, 06:17 PM
My brother in law has a toyota pick up- don't remember the year- but it had a frame that turned to swiss cheese in under 4 years. Toyota replaced for him Free of charge. complete frame- new hard lines, rubber lines, fuel lines, springs, e brake fixings the whole nine yards.


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drooartz
11-04-2011, 06:43 PM
And of course always be wary of anecdotal information. A good friend of mine has a '99 Tacoma with 190,000 miles on it and still going strong. He feels it's good for at least another 100,000 miles. There's a story for every side of a story... <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/grin.gif

aeronca65t
11-04-2011, 07:21 PM
Since this was about DRLs, I just wanted to point out that my '09 Chevy Express van has a switch that allows you to turn them off (after you start the engine).
I don't know if Toyotas have a switch like this, but if they do, it might be worth using it.

For the records the DRLs on my Chevy seem to run cool and have not been a problem. In fact the entire vehicle has been excellent and it's actually a pleasure to go to my dealer for routine service (very moderately priced service, by the way).

We had a 4-WD Nissan pickup that almost broke in half due to frame rust.

DrEntropy
11-04-2011, 10:20 PM
My opinion (tho it don't amount to a hill o' beans) is we're bein' ~allowed~ to pick the next vehicle we drive... like a ~killing zone~ we're being channel'd

... I'll go fit up th' AFDB now.

:jester:

:smirk:

coldplugs
11-05-2011, 08:27 AM
And of course always be wary of anecdotal information. A good friend of mine has a '99 Tacoma with 190,000 miles on it and still going strong. He feels it's good for at least another 100,000 miles. There's a story for every side of a story...

Very true. We also have a '99 FourRunner that we keep at my sons place in Moab. Lots of miles on it but lots more in it, too. It's the only 2wd 4Runner on earth, I think. If it was 4wd I'd bring it here and replace the '05.

Sherlock
11-05-2011, 09:32 AM
I thought you didn't have DRL's in the States, they have been a legal requirement on cars in Canada for many years now, I think starting in about 1990 or so... Never heard any issues up here from the problems detailed here

And I do think it's an excellent safety feature, even in the daytime the headlights being on are quite visible and do warn visually of an oncoming car, in both in city driving and especially on highways...

aeronca65t
11-05-2011, 10:08 AM
I thought you didn't have DRL's in the States...

Not required but some cars are fitted with them anyway.

GM cars, Hondas, Toyotas and VWs mostly.

3798j
11-05-2011, 12:38 PM
And of course always be wary of anecdotal information. A good friend of mine has a '99 Tacoma with 190,000 miles on it and still going strong. He feels it's good for at least another 100,000 miles. There's a story for every side of a story...

Very true. We also have a '99 FourRunner that we keep at my sons place in Moab. Lots of miles on it but lots more in it, too. It's the only 2wd 4Runner on earth, I think. If it was 4wd I'd bring it here and replace the '05.

A problem affecting 813,000 Tacomas and Toyota's admission it could cost them close to $100 million dollars would typically not be considered anecdotal information. https://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/05/07/toyota-offers-to-buy-back-rusty-tacomas/

TOC
11-05-2011, 06:36 PM
3-1/2 years old, before they started sticking accelerators and stopped spending money and admitting there was any problem, one would think.