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tdskip
07-15-2011, 02:38 PM
OK guys - time to face the music and down size the fleet a bit. In other words I found and early 911 I want to buy and am out of space, but that is besides the point. I consider myself ridiculously lucky to have to make this choice and feel a bit goofy about asking but trust y'all will take this in context.

So here is the deal. I have two TR4as. A '67 IRS and a '66 solid axle. Both have driver quality paint, '67 is mostly original paint down to it's floors even but hood went missing (I have a spare). '66 has one faded respray but will clean up to a nice patina. '67 front fender bottoms need attention, '66 needs a dent pulled out of the drivers door.

Both have newly rebuilt engine - both have working A-type ODs.

Both have TR6 rollbars but '67 has new poly bushing and adjustable camber & height rear suspension.

Both have new Toyota calipers and rear cylinders.

Both have original trim inside and need attention to wood on dash (heat).

Both are CA cars with documented SoCal ownership.

I'm into each one for +/- same money.

This will be "bracketed" by a TR6 and TR3a in the fleet. I'll have an Alfa Spider and MGC in the mix as well if that makes any difference. Plus a Bugeye.

So with all of that - which one to keep and which one to sell?

bgbassplyr
07-15-2011, 02:48 PM
The <span style="color: #FF0000">Red </span>one.

tdskip
07-15-2011, 02:51 PM
Hi Jim - that is the '66. Blue one is the '67 IRS.

TR4nut
07-15-2011, 03:19 PM
Tough call. But I'm a biased solid axle guy - all things equal I'd probably keep that one. From a market perspective, I'm not sure the solid axle gets any premium and might even be a deduct. So that would be another reason to sell off the IRS one.

And I'm pretty darn sure you aren't going to get a concensus opinion on this one Tom!

poolboy
07-15-2011, 04:18 PM
If I were closer, I'd make that decision easy for you. I'd be standing there with the money for the 66.

DNK
07-15-2011, 04:25 PM
Ship it to Ken

rlich8
07-15-2011, 04:37 PM
Get rid of the IRS one. I wish I had a '66 solid axle I could think about selling and then realize it's the one to keep! :smile:

Geo Hahn
07-15-2011, 05:47 PM
I, too, like the feel and simplicity of the solid axle.

Or you could list the pair and have the buyer pick the one they like.

All other things being equal, I do think the IRS may command a slight premium among buyers.

HerronScott
07-15-2011, 07:03 PM
I'm definitely in the minority here, but my personal preference would be the IRS. I preferred the ride of my TR4A IRS over my friend's TR4 when we were in college.

Plus I'm partial to Royal Blue TR4A's. :smile:

Scott

tdskip
07-15-2011, 11:28 PM
Thanks guys - kinda of a hard choice.

I'm leaning towards keeping the IRS car, simply because it does ride a bit better. I have my TR6 to use when hammering - or the 911. I think the "surviving" 4a will be more touring than fast road work. Who knows.

I need to drive them on a real road back to back this weekend and see.

Ken - I'll get her down to you are a good price if you really are interested.

AngliaGT
07-16-2011, 01:20 AM
Simple - you need to sell me your Berlina,&amp; for a good price.

- Doug

MDCanaday
07-16-2011, 07:30 AM
The sad thing is that all you will have to show for this sacrifice will be a rusted chunk of German trash(IMHO).......NEVER buy one of these without checking the condition of the torsion-tube that supports the rear of the car.Prone to rust and catastrophic to fix.....
MD(mad dog)

tdskip
07-16-2011, 08:59 AM
Hi Doug - hope your summer is going well. I've had two unsolicited offers on the Berlina already which has been surprising. I'm planning on keeping her as a family classic but will let you know. I think people are looking for substitutes for GTV and earlier Alfa sedans since most of those are in the high teens or 20k+ range now.

DNK
07-16-2011, 09:06 AM
Tom, What's up with the name change back and loc change.
Is this part of the other problem. E mail me if you don't want to discuss it here

tdskip
07-16-2011, 09:11 AM
Hi MD - agree that a rusty one is very bad news. TRs are a snap by comparison - but this 911 is ok. She is a SoCal car - even the front pan under the gas tank is OK. She is rough cosmetically but has a rebuilt G15 gearbox and a later 3.2 FI engine. As a pre- SMOG car that engine swap is OK in CA. So the lightness of the early car with the reliability and power of the later SCs. Not for purists - but a better roadcar than a stock '74 911.

TR6oldtimer
07-16-2011, 09:26 AM
Keep the '67 and sell me the 66'. Oh, never mind, I see you are in NYC. Thank the Lord I live in California and you are so far away.

I had a '64 for many years. Crashed it, then later got my TR6. For what it is worth, that TR4 was in my opinion the better handling and more stable car.

But if you are old and into just touring, then the comfort of the cushy ride from the IRS is the way to go. However, if you keep the 4A with the IRS, you will have two cars that have virtually the same handling characteristics, and that to me is like makeing a choice between which twin sister to date.

Variety is the spice of life...

Just my two cents.

DNK
07-16-2011, 09:29 AM
... Oh, never mind, I see you are in NYC. Thank the Lord I live in California and you are so far away.

...

Ray, you have been around long enough to know better.

tdskip
07-16-2011, 09:29 AM
Here are some pics. And yes, 1985 called and wants the Whale Tail back so that will be coming off the car very quickly.

She's wicked (East Coast thing) dirty here and there is a better than 80% chance the paint can be buffed out to an acceptable driver level. That white hazing you see if on top of the paint, not under it. Anyway - rough and a rolling project to be sure but all the key things are OK.

https://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb73/tdskip_photos/Porsche%20911/IMG00852-20110707-1023-1.jpg

https://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb73/tdskip_photos/Porsche%20911/IMG00854-20110707-1024.jpg

https://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb73/tdskip_photos/Porsche%20911/IMG00850-20110707-1023.jpg

https://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb73/tdskip_photos/Porsche%20911/front-2.jpg

tdskip
07-16-2011, 09:35 AM
Oh, never mind, I see you are in NYC. Thank the Lord I live in California and you are so far away.

The car is in SoCal actually and would easily make the trip up Route 101 / 1 to your neck of the woods. You could do it to coincide with the Monterey Car Week events. What a drive that would be this time of year.

So you are not "safe" Ray! Ha!

Good point on the TR6 vs TR4a IRS. The TR6 is really dialed in for fast road work - lowered and stiffer springs etc where the 4A has stock springs but poly bushings and trick rear suspension caber set up. They do drive differently - the 4A is more comfortable whereas the TR6 is just glued to the road (at a price of some comfort etc).

<span style="font-weight: bold">Guys - how different will a solid axle 4a vs 3a drive if everything is stock?</span>

TR4A_IRS
07-16-2011, 10:42 AM
Here are some pics. And yes, 1985 called and wants the Whale Tail back so that will be coming off the car very quickly.

I say keep the tail. It might be very 1985, but the tail does serve a purpose and really fits the classic lines of a Porsche very well. If it was a '68-'74 car, I would say ditch the tail, but it looks like an early '80s SC done up to look like a Carrera.

tdskip
07-16-2011, 10:51 AM
Hi Ian - she is a 1974 actually. Hard to tell given her modifications.

If the Whale Tail actually make a functional difference I might keep it but I need to be convinced :-)

JodyFKerr
07-16-2011, 01:10 PM
Please keep the whale tail! They were special equipment!

My dad had a '79 911 SC Targa with the whale tail in Guard's Red. Sold it/traded it in when he bought an '84 928. I've been searching the US for this car since before he passed away a few years back. Was originally going to find/present him with it. Now I want to relive my youth of riding with him listening to Tom Lehrer and Woody Guthrie.

Sorry for the side track. If you do opt to remove it, at least keepit around for it's next caretaker.

Jody

tdskip
07-16-2011, 01:31 PM
Hi Jody - yes, for sure I'd make sure it found a proper home or was well stored.

Cruising around in the Targa would be way cool. Good luck with your search Jody.

HerronScott
07-16-2011, 01:44 PM
Tom,

Now if you like Porsche Targa's then you should follow me with my ultimate plan and keep both TR4As. One you keep soft top for the full top down experience and the other you outfit with a hard/Surrey top. :smile:

Scott

cheseroo
07-16-2011, 11:39 PM
Since I just got a letter from my insurance company telling me that I need to remove the "debris" from the side yard in order for them to renew my coverage, I will not insist on you selling me the 67. That color is just fantastic on those cars. I can't see either 4 ever being up to the handling of your 6 as long as they are running spokes.

Seem to recall that they didn't use galvanized steel on those 74-76 super beetles

tdskip
07-16-2011, 11:53 PM
Hey Rich! I'll help w/the yard next time I've over that way.

And no - the super beetles aren't galvanized so finding one inland SoCal was important. She'll be swimming in cavity wax in short order.

glemon
07-17-2011, 04:07 AM
I will vote for you to keep the solid axle car too, I have a warm spot in my heart for solid axle 4As, had one for many years, also, as someone else mentioned you have the TR6 for your IRS car, although some of the things you have mentioned lead me to believe the 6 may not be set up for cushy touring...

tdskip
07-17-2011, 02:35 PM
Hi G - correct, my TR6 isn't what you would call cushy at this point.

Seems like solid axles cars are in more demand, but are they in great supply as well aren't they?

Anyone know the ratio of solid axle to IRS TR4a produced?

HerronScott
07-17-2011, 10:03 PM
Tom,

The general opinion is that 25% of them were solid axle so roughly 7000. One reference in how that number was arrived at was that 1 in 3 sold in the US were solid axle.

Scott

tomgt6
07-18-2011, 04:27 PM
I'll have an Alfa Spider and MGC in the mix as well if that makes any difference. Plus a Bugeye.

Being this is a Triumph forum I think everyone missed something. Keep all the triuphs and get rid of the alfa. That makes it easy.

tdskip
07-18-2011, 05:40 PM
Ha - fair point! (Hangs head in shame)

HerronScott
07-30-2011, 10:44 AM
Tom,

Any decisions yet?

Scott