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Whitephrog
05-27-2011, 07:24 AM
The Whitephrog has been back on the road for a couple of weeks now. A few issues and observations.

The muffler is a period NOS Harmo. It's much tamer than my previous Pacesetter Monza. That allows me to hear the engine and transmission better. Not sure that's a good thing. Every odd noise becomes a concern.

Timing is close but not perfect. Car "diesels" a bit when I turn it off.

HIF44 carb is setting too close to the underside of the bonnet. Same set-up as my previous BE but must be some fractional differences.

Reverse is causing considerable issue. About half the time I can't get it to engage. When it does engage it will pop out more times than not. When the engine and transmission was removed from the previous BE they were not separated. I didn't have any transmission problems in the previous car. I haven't drained/replaced the oil in the transmission. It set for about four years.

The clutch is quick. It takes a bit of travel before it engages. I can't remember if I used the same slave cylinder or not.

Comments/advise?

Gerard
05-27-2011, 12:06 PM
Ray,

What weight/type oil are you using in the gearbox?

It helps a lot of you put the car in a forward gear directly before you try reverse. If it grinds or is still reluctant to go, then your clutch is not fully disengaging.

Popping out of gear is usually a problem with a detent ball/peg not holding. It's either a worn out sleeve or a broken/weak spring.

BlueMax
05-27-2011, 12:43 PM
Ray,
Theirs no detent ball or springs on reverse, first and second gear hub assy will have detent balls and springs. However if some way that the shunt damage or move the alignment of the reverse fork or damage the reverse shift rod? Also if the shifter boot is new and a bit hard, it could be a remote possibility that the boot is preventing the gear leaver to fully allow the shifter to engage reverses. I would also check the bushing, spring and o-ring under the shifter to see theirs good tension on it!

Gerard
05-27-2011, 01:10 PM
Good points to check first, but there is a detent peg for the reverse rod.

BlueMax
05-27-2011, 07:45 PM
Good point, also another remote possibility is that the reverse locking screw could be loose or damage allowing the reverse shift fork to move excessively not allowing full engagement of reverse gear.

Whitephrog
05-27-2011, 08:38 PM
How would the damage likely have occurred? The transmission including reverse was working fine when removed from the previous car four years ago. The engine and transmission have sit covered and undisturbed since until they were re-installed earlier this year.

I don't know the weight of the oil in transmission. I believe that I will drain it this weekend, then put in fresh. Bought some Old Speckled Hen this afternoon to assist in the matter.

Gerard
05-27-2011, 08:50 PM
How would the damage likely have occurred? The transmission including reverse was working fine when removed from the previous car four years ago. The engine and transmission have sit covered and undisturbed since until they were re-installed earlier this year.

The mysteries of British engineering... :crazyeyes:

I recently installed a ribcase in a in a Morris Minor that had been popping out of second gear when removed (I was changing out the engine). After putting it back in and putting fresh oil in it (30 wt) it stopped popping out after driving it for ten minutes. Even the owner asked what I did to fix it... :hammer:

I told him it was "laying on of hands..." LOL

BlueMax
05-27-2011, 09:04 PM
The engine and transmission that has been in storage for the past four years would by any chance be the same engine and transmission that was in your previous car that was hit from the rear so severely? If so, you really canít explained how everything was stress when that hard of a hit in the rear could possibly forcing the drive shaft forward. There are many things that can occur from that kind of impact. There is no sure way without physically removing the inspection cover and checking what reverse gear is actually doing, Iím merely making a supposition to what can and possibly be happing. Your really will have to do a complete physical inspection if your oil change does not improve your situation.

Gerard
05-27-2011, 09:23 PM
...by any chance be the same engine and transmission that was in your previous car that was hit from the rear so severely? ...

hmmm... that's a frog of a different color...didn't know about that :confuse:

JPSmit
05-28-2011, 06:01 AM
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I told him it was "laying on of hands..." LOL



Ooooo finally a procedure I understand :yesnod:

Whitephrog
05-28-2011, 07:32 AM
Yes, same car.

www.spritespot.com/gallery/Whitephrog-off-to-the-stripper/Whitephrog_1 (https://www.spritespot.com/gallery/Whitephrog-off-to-the-stripper/Whitephrog_1)

I was stopped, in 1st gear, making a left turn when rear-ended by an 80 year old gent in a Chrysler van. Don't remember much. I heard the collision and thought that it was someone else. Next thing I remember was a crowd of folks and the Fire Department and EMTs around the car.

Nothing in the drive train was knocked loose, bent or had any obvious exterior damage but who knows what might have happened internally.

I didn't have the reverse problem on the first couple of short drives. It seems to have gotten progressively worse.

I'm getting ready to take her for a drive to the Farmer's Market this morning. I'll try draining and the laying of hands this afternoon.

BlueMax
05-28-2011, 12:06 PM
Nasty Shunt, youíre lucky to be here today telling us your story. From the photo it folded in quite a bit. Reminds me of my car when park while I was ordering a new top. This idiot came into the upholstery shop asking whoís diving that little car in the parking lot. I answered, he was stumbling his words trying to explain that he drove his car on top of my car... I could hardly comprehend how someone could be on top of my car. But sure as the world when I walk to the parking his bumper was up against the roll bar with both wheels sitting outside each finder. .

Bayless
05-29-2011, 04:49 PM
Caution. Not all hands produce the same result from the laying on of. :wall:

fordtrucks4ever
05-31-2011, 01:43 AM
You mention having issues with the clutch pedal travel and engagement. That is something I would look at to see if there is some connection between the two. You fix the travel issues and may cure the reverse. Doesnt first and reverse share the same shaft or a gear?