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jvandyke
10-30-2010, 04:19 PM
I've got my Midget on ebay. It has hit reserve but the buyer is in Portugal. He hoped I would help get the car to Newark from where it would go across the ocean. Don't they have Midgets over there, I mean, if a guy in Portugal wanted a Midget would he have to spend the big bucks to get one from the US? I told him no, I won't bring the car to Newark, he's on his own and that I will gladly cancel his bid if he wants me to.
Just curious, surely the money it takes to get a mediocre (nice but not THAT nice) Midget all the way to Portugal would be better spent on one that is already there.
I'm not a noobie, I won't be scammed but I also would rather not waste my auction.

mightymidget
10-30-2010, 04:30 PM
How is his ebay rating? and how is he planning on paying you. Those are the first two give aways. After that any thing can happen ......and usually does

I wouldn't give up a good American bid, on a chance.

Makes since to me England is a lot closer, and I am sure they have plenty of Midgets there

jvandyke
10-30-2010, 04:42 PM
47 feedback score, 100%

Link to ebay (https://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230543203090&viewitem= &sspagename=STRK%3AMESELX%3AIT#ht_500wt_1182)

Sarastro
10-30-2010, 05:08 PM
I've spent some time in Portugal, and I can't remember ever seeing an LBC there. It just ain't their kind of thing. Still, there should be plenty elsewhere in Europe. Still, it's fairly cheap to ship a car to Europe, as long as it can be dropped off at a port. Probably would cost less than shipping by truck to California.

JPSmit
10-30-2010, 05:22 PM
when I look at what LBC's fetch in the UK + don't forget he is buying in USD but paying in Euros, it becomes a good deal to buy here in a big hurry.

Aggudabbu
10-30-2010, 07:12 PM
Does it really become that good of a deal US to EURO? But still there's not only the issue to expenses regarding purchase and shipping there's also the fact that he need to have it registered in Portugal and fit "EU standards/measurements" and they have some pretty messed up rules and regulations regarding that stuff, so buying a UK car would again be a whole lot easier plus then some of the regulations would drop since it's within the EU. But then again it might be the fact that he doesn't think he can get a LHD car anywhere but the U.S?

jvandyke
10-30-2010, 11:59 PM
I should probably cancel his bid but I'm waiting to hear back. I think Europeans forget how HUGE the U.S. is. My town to Newark it twice the entire length of Portugal for gripe's sake. I would drive it there, I trust it fine but the logistics are a nightmare and well, I'd rather keep the car anyway!

nomad
10-31-2010, 05:19 AM
If you are sure you have his money plus something for delivery I would not be afraid of it. I would be very careful of the money transaction and keep track of the second highest bidder. Unless, of course, you'ed rather keep it!

KA

histerical
10-31-2010, 06:52 AM
You stated in your listing that, although you'd help, shipping and its cost is the buyer's responsibility, but you also said that you'd drive it to them. How are you going to calculate your cost to deliver it to Newark, and why wouldn't it be his deal to arrange the transport ? If you didn't want to deal with overseas bidders, you could have stated so. Also, it looks like there are two days left, so all this may become irrelevant. On ebay, the bidding's not over till it's over.
Bill

Guest
10-31-2010, 09:50 AM
A guy in New Zealand wanted to give me 3K for door panels. I didn't have a problem.

jvandyke
11-01-2010, 07:06 AM
Now a 0 feedback bidder is in the lead. I sent him a message to confirm his legitimacy. I guess I should cancel his bid if I don't hear anything? Man, I'd much rather do this the old fashioned way!
I put a warning in the description about low/0 bidders being contacted so I feel justified in dumping the bid. I guess if it's legit I'll hear back soon.

racingenglishcars
11-01-2010, 09:13 AM
Contrary to belief in America, continental europe doesn't get too many british cars. Also cars here are VERY expensive, making shipping from the US cheap in comparison.
It's actually many times cheaper for me to import something from US than from England.
Don't believe all the propaganda that selling local is best. Europeans have a lot more free cash and can pay more than locals.

Sarastro
11-01-2010, 09:16 AM
I'd say you should go with your instincts, but be very cautious. If you don't hear anything from him, I'd suggest deleting the bid. I'd hate to do that, but there are so many scammers and clueless types on ebay--the chances are better than even that he won't follow through. After all, how difficult is it to (1) read the posting, and (2) respond to an email? If he can't do this, something is wrong.

jvandyke
11-01-2010, 09:17 AM
Okay, that's reassuring. I just want a smooth transaction with all parties happy. I can't imagine how a guy in Portugal could orchestrate an international car transport, sounds like a ton of headaches to me. Selling local is still a ton "easier" from my perspective but it's been for sale locally all summer and while I've had a lot of interest and given a lot of test drives, no one has stepped up.

racingenglishcars
11-01-2010, 09:19 AM
How is his ebay rating? and how is he planning on paying you. Those are the first two give aways. After that any thing can happen ......and usually does

I wouldn't give up a good American bid, on a chance.

Makes since to me England is a lot closer, and I am sure they have plenty of Midgets there

Give away for what? Are you implying that foreigners are by definition swindlers? PayPal works very well across country borders.

As for more midgets in England. Not a chance. Very strict inspection laws have remove the majority of what was a minority to begin with. Most British sports cars were sent to the US simply for bringing cash into England. The brits do have a lot more Minis though.

racingenglishcars
11-01-2010, 09:36 AM
My colleague bought a 68 Chrysler Imperial from a guy in Denver. The previous owner simply took it down to a truck depot and had it trucked to Newark. From there it took a week to come here. Total shipping cost around $2000, plus the car $3000. Registration cost 10000 DKR. He now has a very nice, relatively unique car here for about 40000 DKR, which is less than half of what it would have cost to buy one already here.
example:
https://www.dba.dk/biltilbehoer/andre-biler/amerikanerbiler/maerke-chrysler/

jvandyke
11-01-2010, 11:49 AM
Total shipping including ground transport from Denver to Newark then to Denmark was $2,000? That's less then I would have figured. Okay, go Portugal!! (but I really don't want to sell it.....)

jvandyke
11-03-2010, 06:59 AM
Guy in Portugal won. What's the easiest way for us to move the money around? Paypal? Or will they charge me too much? What other options are there? Very mixed emotions on this. Hate to let go but it really must be done.....I guess.

racingenglishcars
11-03-2010, 08:49 AM
Paypal works great. I think they take 4%. Don't deal with any other methods. Paypal is part of ebay and includes buyer (and seller) protection.
Driving to Newark could be the cheapest way, but charge the buyer. Don't do it free. You might want to check trucking costs. Don't forget insurance. Buyer pays that also, but tell/ask him first.

Unfortunately you have to let it go. ebay deals are legally binding. However you'll get the cash (don't give anything free. He doesn't expect it either) and he will get a nice car which is nearly unobtainable in Portugal.

Don't send it until the payment comes through, but that is immediate through paypal. Paypal gives you the money and charges his credit card. Either way, it is paypal that takes the risk. That's why they take 4%.

jvandyke
11-03-2010, 10:52 AM
Thanks for the feedback. I'll ask my bank what they think, might be just bite the bullet and give PayPal their due. I've read an international money order is done too. Sounds like he's arrangement shipment from my door so that's good.

Aggudabbu
11-03-2010, 12:24 PM
congrats, hope everything works out nicely :smile:

mightymidget
11-03-2010, 02:30 PM
STAY AWAY FROM Money orders, cashiers checks...I have been burned on a returned Bank cashiers check

drooartz
11-03-2010, 03:13 PM
PayPal is probably a good method for this, and I'd say worth the charge to know that the money is *really* there. You still wind up making more than your reserve, and don't have to worry about fraudulent transfers.

racingenglishcars
11-03-2010, 04:36 PM
STAY AWAY FROM Money orders, cashiers checks...I have been burned on a returned Bank cashiers check
I second that one.

Sarastro
11-04-2010, 05:07 PM
Why not use a wire transfer? Much cheaper than Paypal and very secure. Once the transfer is made, the money is in your account, and that's it. Almost impossible for the guy to reclaim it (which he can, through Paypal) or do something fraudulent. Also, Paypal will prevent you from transferring the money out of your Paypal account for several days.

racingenglishcars
11-05-2010, 05:11 AM
This is true.

A direct bank to bank transfer can be inexpensive compared to the 4%.

jvandyke
11-05-2010, 05:40 AM
Bank transfer/wire transfer is the method we are pursuing and what I've been told to use by others. Stood in the garage last night and stared at the little sweetie. Almost like selling off a family member, but more emotional. :cry:
She'll have quite an adventure crossing the big pond. Had to stop myself from quick doing everything else I've been planning on doing.

mightymidget
11-05-2010, 07:25 AM
DON'T forget to put a "remade in American" sticker on the bottom of the car before it is sent overseas.

jvandyke
11-12-2010, 06:56 AM
Wire transfer complete, money in bank. Starting to work with shipper. Very sad to let it go but there's more where this came from when the time comes again. Shipper says NOTHING can be in the car which is bit hard nosed but that means some of the bits won't be going with it I guess. Sure hope he likes it. Going to be tough to return if not! It has been a very interesting couple of years with it and I've learned a phenomenal amount mostly from trolling the vast reservoir of experience right here, can't thank you guys enough. If anyone comes across a nice '63 in Portugal, give her a kiss for me would ya? Not sure how I feel about it going out of country but it is cool it will be a very rare bird over there (I'd think).

jlaird
11-12-2010, 11:20 PM
Maybe as it is rare there it will be taken care of.

JPSmit
11-24-2010, 08:13 AM
So, this might just be a coincidence, but I doubt it. read this on the MG Experience this morning - go to the last post.
Portugese Midget owner (https://www.mgexperience.net/phorum/read.php?3,1612343)

jvandyke
11-25-2010, 12:03 AM
Not my buyer. This guy sounds like he's currently in Florida and traveling. Sending his cars ahead. A life I wouldn't mind.