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karls59tr
11-18-2009, 09:38 PM
I know..I know...they were so ugly back in the day that nobody wanted them. However if you see them on a TR3 in combination with the hardtop you've got quite a unique looking vehicle..somewhat Jaguar like. I was thinking of fabricating some "spats" for my 3 to use with the hard top for late Fall driving. Anyone have any ideas as to what material to use or how to go about it? Anyone have a good picture of an original set?

prb51
11-18-2009, 09:47 PM
Karl,
Can't help with the template but will offer moral support. I think they look cool and are a great, and unique, period look.
I saw a west coast car that had nicely done cut outs on them so he could use wires...not correct but looked good.

bgbassplyr
11-18-2009, 10:05 PM
There is (was) a 3 that has been on ebay several times in the last year. Wanted too much IMO, which is probably why it did not sell, AFAIK. Search might find it. It was white w/hardtop and skirts, and pretty good pix.
Hope this helps.

Silverghost
11-19-2009, 12:31 AM
If you make a set, make 2....my brother wants a set for his car....let me know how much.... :smile:

Number_6
11-19-2009, 01:07 AM
I really like the look of the spats on a TR or on a Jag XK120. They have a really nice vintage look. Here's a thread about spats from a couple of months ago. It has a couple of pics of TR spats and also a link to a page the details how to make your own. Hope this helps.
Full spats for a TR3? (https://www.britishcarforum.com/bcforum/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/596658/Searchpage/1/Main/60384/Words/spats/Search/true/Full_spats_for_a_TR3#Post596658)

karls59tr
11-19-2009, 02:10 AM
Thanks for the link Number 6. It seems that Tinman58 has a pattern and may have even made a set. Wonder if he's still out there and would consider making a few sets???

Twosheds
11-19-2009, 12:08 PM
Here's a photo of Ralph Eriksen's TR3 with spats. I don't know if they are original or reproductions, but I would guess reproductions.

rlwhitetr3b
11-19-2009, 01:09 PM
Tinman58 was logged in a few days ago. You might want to shoot him a PM to be sure he sees this thread.

karls59tr
11-19-2009, 02:24 PM
Good idea....I'll send him a PM and see if he ever made a pair of spats.

prb51
11-19-2009, 03:43 PM
First time I've seen spats finished with beading...looks good

Andrew Mace
11-19-2009, 03:52 PM
IIRC, the original specification was a plastic beading similar to that on the early TR2 fenders, colored to match the body paint.

TR4nut
11-19-2009, 04:50 PM
I like that chrome bit, it really sets it off nicely.

Geo Hahn
11-19-2009, 06:25 PM
Nice photo -- but I think this is like wearing a cowboy hat or a cape -- some guys can do it and look good -- on others it just looks goofy.

prb51
11-19-2009, 06:34 PM
Geo,
Good analogy, I feel very comfortable in my cowboy hat but always felt a little showy when wearing my cape.
The same color beading would have a finished look too.

TR6BILL
11-19-2009, 07:07 PM
My early TR2 had factory wires and spats. Truly classic.

Twosheds
11-20-2009, 10:01 AM
My early TR2 had factory wires and spats. Truly classic.

Hmmm....

I have always heard that the knock-offs would not fit under the spats. I have seen spats that are cut away to clear knock-offs, though.

TR4nut
11-20-2009, 10:05 AM
Hmmm....

I have always heard that the knock-offs would not fit under the spats. I have seen spats that are cut away to clear knock-offs, though.

I might be wrong, but didn't the TR2 start with hubs specifically for knockoffs (not the bolt on variety)? That and the 40 spoke narrow rims might give the clearance.

Randy

Andrew Mace
11-20-2009, 12:36 PM
Randy, you are correct about TR2s having "dedicated" hubs for wire wheels as opposed to the adaptors used later, but that doesn't help with the clearance. It's the up-and-down motion that one needs to worry about, and the knockoffs will extend out to or even a bit further than a skirt. Odds are one big bump would be enough to destroy even a skirt with a cutout. If you look at pictures of, say, various older Jaguar saloon cars, you'll see that those with knockoff wire wheels do not have skirts.

Hard to tell for certain at this angle, but it looks to me as the knockoffs on this car do protrude well out into where the skirt/spat would be:

https://www.britishtaxdiscs.co.uk/images/gallery/large/1957%20Triumph%20TR3a.jpg

Twosheds
11-20-2009, 02:35 PM
I have seen spats that are cut away to clear knock-offs, though.

karls59tr
11-20-2009, 03:07 PM
Visually that kind of defeats the purpose of having spats IMO.

tinman58
11-20-2009, 04:04 PM
That kind of defeats the air flow design of the spats. But I kinda like the looks. Just a little different.

Andrew Mace
11-20-2009, 04:38 PM
Visually that kind of defeats the purpose of having spats IMO. Uh, yeah...plus I can't imagine a car so equipped was ever driven enthusiastically!

martx-5
11-20-2009, 05:47 PM
There's a good reason why there are so few original spats around...most people just did not like the way they looked, myself included. Making the cutout for the wire wheel nuts makes them look even more ridiculous. But, some people like them, so to each his own.

As far as spats improving aerodynamics, I don't know if they are that effective. If they were, I'm sure that they would have been installed by those racing TR3s...I've never seen a race TR3 with spats, and that includes those in sprint races where they wouldn't be making any tire/wheel changes. Although, who knows, someone has probably tried it.

I just think that they are more of a styling statement, such as these bubble skirts on a '57 Ford. (https://www.oxfordautosales.com/haugens02/h02g6.jpg)

If you like them, go for it! They're just not my cup of tea.

karls59tr
11-20-2009, 08:35 PM
I think they only really good in conjunction with the hard top,luggage rack,maybe Lucas fog lights. Overall affect is reminicent of a Bugatti or Jag from back in the day. A few years back a guy put a set of spats on Ebay.He had rescued them from a dumpster behind a Triumph Standard dealership that was packing it in years ago. Shows how popular they were back then...couldnt give em away. Ironically they sold for something like $3000 because they are so rare.

Number_6
11-20-2009, 08:43 PM
The MKII Jaguar had spats that had cutouts to make allowance for the spinner for the wire wheels. I've been scouring the internet to find a picture of a MKII with them for an example but can't find any pics.

toysrrus
11-21-2009, 04:35 AM
Randy, you are correct about TR2s having "dedicated" hubs for wire wheels as opposed to the adaptors used later, but that doesn't help with the clearance. It's the up-and-down motion that one needs to worry about, and the knockoffs will extend out to or even a bit further than a skirt. Odds are one big bump would be enough to destroy even a skirt with a cutout. If you look at pictures of, say, various older Jaguar saloon cars, you'll see that those with knockoff wire wheels do not have skirts.

Hard to tell for certain at this angle, but it looks to me as the knockoffs on this car do protrude well out into where the skirt/spat would be:

https://www.britishtaxdiscs.co.uk/images/gallery/large/1957%20Triumph%20TR3a.jpg

Howdy Folks,

I was just driving thru & wanted to say "What a Great Looking TR"! My `57 TR3 is scheduled for Pick-Up & Delv. 12-05-09. "Can`t Wait" to begin the Restoration Process (Driver Restoration).

See Y`All Later,

Russ

toysrrus
11-21-2009, 04:47 AM
I have seen spats that are cut away to clear knock-offs, though.

Hi Folks,

I had a `57XK140 Rdstr with "Disc Wheels & Spats". I liked the look both ways (On & Off)on the Jag. I also saw some Saloons with "Wire Wheels" & Cutouts for the Knock-Offs. Did`nt look all that bad but not for me. On a TR with the cutouts; Personally I don`t care for the look. It appears as though someone made a mistake & tried fixing it.

Just a passing thought. Its "Whatever" turns you on.

Regards, Russ

vivdownunder
11-21-2009, 06:43 AM
The Roadster Factory used to sell fender spats about 15 years back - part # 552083 at $299.95 per set. They might just have a pair still in stock, or the patterns to make them up, if contacted.

TRF also had the fitting hardware, which was a bit tricky with spring loaded clips, so it would be a bonus to find those items off the shelf.

Viv.

prb51
11-21-2009, 01:16 PM
I suspect they assisted in reducing drag as the factory used them when doing speed runs. They did work as inividuals that ran them had problems with rear brakes overheating thus air was not entering the area.
I suspect most rally'ers and racers did not use them due to the added time/difficulty in changing tires and the brake issue.