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MrBlueSky
08-09-2004, 02:36 PM
My wife and I both have new cars with the HID(High Intensity Discharge) headlights and I love it. So what to do about the old Triumphs? Well I noticed last week while I was in my local parts store that Sylvania now makes a "look of HID" headlight called Slverstar in the 7" round that fits our cars (part number H6024ST). These are not the cheep blue lights that you sometimes see but a true bright white light that is just about as bright as the HID. Just for comparison I installed just one light and turned them on and what a difference, it made my old light (which was almost new) look like it had some type of electrical problem. Night time driving is now a pleasure and much safer, I can see them and they can sure see me. These are not cheep at about $20 each but well worth it and should fit just about all Triumphs and MGs.

Steve
08-09-2004, 03:01 PM
Now that is some really useful information!! I'll make a point of looking for these. Thank you!

Jon12
08-09-2004, 05:38 PM
I thought about putting some of these in my spitfire but I'm not sure how well the electrical system will hold up to the higher current draw. One of these days I'll get around to testing it out and keeping a fire extinguisher near /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazyeyes.gif

PC
08-09-2004, 07:52 PM
Compared to the cost of real HID lamps (about $400) the cost of those Silverstars is cheap.

On the down side they get them bright by running them hot, about 4000K verses about 3100K for a standard Halogen lamp. They probably won't last as long as some other models. Sylvania's website says "We estimate the SilverStar halogen lights to have a life span of up to one year under average driving conditions." Whatever that means.

Jon12, to accommodate higher powered lights you can install separate, higher capacity wiring for the lights (as long as the alternator can keep up) and use a high current relay to switch them on.


PC.

Saff
08-09-2004, 08:25 PM
According to Bentley, the stock bulbs are 60/45W, which means that a 12V system is delivering 5A for the 60W setting. Does anybody have an estimate of what the actual current requirement is for these HID lights?

Geo Hahn
08-09-2004, 09:15 PM
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...Does anybody have an estimate of what the actual current requirement is for these HID lights?

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According to this ad:

https://www.shoppalstores.com/kustomkar/index.cfm/fa/items.main/parentcat/1816/subcatid/0/id/71973

60W/70W

Webb Sledge
08-09-2004, 11:37 PM
So then the stock system and wiring should be able to handle the draw? $40 bucks really isn't all that bad (I don't think) for something that will make night driving a lot easier, even if they only last a year.

Are TRs supposed to have high beams and low beams? My 6 only has one setting. You flip the switch on the right side of the column down once and all turn signals some on, and then flip it down again and the lights come on. Is this wired right?

MrBlueSky
08-10-2004, 01:11 AM
I turned on my headlights while in the basement and only after about 10-12 minutes did they begin to get very warm to the back of my hand. I also notice no extra power draw, I drive the triumph mostly at night this time of the year because it's just a little to hot and humid during the day down here.

Mark Jones
08-10-2004, 08:22 AM
I've has a pair of these Silverstars in my Spitifre since spring and they are great. I've had no problem with the wiring so far.

Saff
08-10-2004, 08:58 AM
Webb, I don't think that's wired right. The switch on the right side should be for high/low beams, or main/dip beams in the lingo. In Texas, you would need to have both headlight settings working to pass safety inspection. It's also safer with all available lighting working properly.

Bill Redd
08-10-2004, 11:19 AM
Wait a minute... isn't the high beam "switch" the dip switch on the floor?

I hesitate answering because I bought my TR6 without working lights, and it's all in pieces right now!

PC
08-10-2004, 03:39 PM
I got this data off Sylvania's website (https://www.sylvania.com/auto/):

SYLVANIA Lamp Replacement Guide: TRIUMPH 1976 Spitfire

H6024ST Silverstar High Performance Halogen, 45W/55W rated life 150hrs/50hrs.

H6024XV XtraVision Halogen, 55W/65W, rated life 850hrs/200hrs.

H6024CB Cool Blue Halogen, 45W/55W rated life 200hrs/100hrs.


As a comparison, their Xenarc HID lamps draw 35W.


PC.

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Stinky
08-10-2004, 04:34 PM
I see on sylvania's website they list those headlights for the 1976 TR6,...but when I check on a 1971 TR6 they don't list the Silverstar. They only list halogen lights. Actually they list a separate "Low Beam" and a separate "High Beam".

Do you think the Silverstar's would be ok on an older TR6?

PC
08-10-2004, 06:22 PM
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I see on sylvania's website they list those headlights for the 1976 TR6,...but when I check on a 1971 TR6 they don't list the Silverstar. They only list halogen lights. Actually they list a separate "Low Beam" and a separate "High Beam".

Do you think the Silverstar's would be ok on an older TR6?

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I don't know if the lights in a '71 are supposed to be different from a '76. If you can find some reference that lists them as the same it would suggest that Sylvania might have made a mistake.

I thought that all 6s come with standard 7" (PAR-56) round hi/lo lamps. The Sylvania listing for the '71 (H5006 - lo and H5001 - hi) is for dual 5.7" (PAR-46) lamps. That don't sound right to me.


PC.

Stinky
08-10-2004, 06:25 PM
did'nt sound right to me either.......

Webb Sledge
08-11-2004, 10:51 PM
Regarding the high and low beams, they are controlled by the "dip" switch in the floor, as mentioned. I checked this just now, and it does indeed have high and low beams.

I had always wondered what that was for... Now I know!

sammyb
08-12-2004, 12:39 AM
Webb is making us all feel old ... most of us, on force of habit, still prod the floor with our left feet in our newer cars looking for the hi/lo beam dip. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Stinky
08-12-2004, 09:54 AM
I picked up a set of these SilverStar headlights yesterday.
I'm flying out to Texas Saturday morning to drive my newly purchased TR6 home to Maryland. I figured I will probably need to use the headlights somewhere along the way,...So I put the SilverStars in my suitcase. I'll post, and let everyone know how things work out

Webb Sledge
08-12-2004, 02:20 PM
Yeah, I'm interested in those lights. They sound pretty nice. If they work out for ya, I want to put them on my own 6.

TR3cubka
08-15-2004, 08:17 PM
I have a set of these in my corvette, my buddies both have them in their trucks.

we have all had them for about 2 years each... and only one of us burned a single headlight. all our cars are daily drivers, and we are all fairly active at night in our cars.

I would recommend them 100 fold


Oh and Hi everyone /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif I hope i helped everyone a little with my first post here /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cheers.gif

08-16-2004, 10:17 AM
As an aside to these particular lights, I installed Cibie soda glass lenses with H4 halogen bulbs and the high beam setting will melt the pavement at night. Gotta be careful where you aim them.

Bill

Webb Sledge
08-16-2004, 06:23 PM
Where can I buy these headlamps?

08-16-2004, 08:21 PM
They are Cibie (pronounced "cee-bee-aye") E-codes. Available at most web sites that handle these lights. I Have them covered with wire covers as they break very easily. Am running Cibie Amber Airports under the bumper. Covered those with the 3M clear lense protectors (a trick to install). Honestly, just try Google.

Bill

TR3cubka
08-16-2004, 10:14 PM
you can get the silverstars at pretty much any major autoparts retailer in the US. I bought mine at kragen. Overseas, i have no idea besides the internet

Stinky
08-17-2004, 10:08 AM
I drove my TR6 home from Texas over the last 3 days. I installed the Silverstars along the way. they are definetly brighter, and much whiter than the old halogens that were in the car.
I was actually impressed with the halogens that were in the car. They were betterthan I was expecting them to be.
However, when I replaced the passenger side bulb, and left the old one on the drivers side it was easy to see how much better these Silver Stars are.
I definetly give em two thumbs up.
I got mine at Advance Auto Parts.

Larry4A
08-17-2004, 07:22 PM
Being a 4A driver with the old lamps on board moving up to these Silverstars would be great, do we share the same headlamp config three prong centre attachment for wiring connection. Will look to our local retail outlets up here in the great white north.

Regarding the dip switch for high lows, you also may have as on my column light selector switch a high beam flash selection for passing, this will work by pulling the selection handle towards you, it will flash the high beams only without the headlamps on or with the running / parking lights on, once the low beams are on the floor dip switch must be used.
Thanks for all the info on the new lamps. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/driving.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/canpatriot.GIF