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Bret
01-23-2008, 07:03 PM
Hey folks,

Well my son just informed me that he needs a camera for the photography class he's taking this semester. According to his notes he needs a SLR 35mm camera with an adjustable aperture and shutter.

Teacher recommended

The Canon K2
35MM SLR

And said it can be had at Sears for about $200.

Well doing some searching on the web – I found that these cameras range from about $150 for just the body to $220 (not counting shipping & tax of course) for the camera body with a w/ EF 28-80 II lens kit.

Truthfully I’m a bit disappointed as I told him that I didn’t want him taking this class unless he could barrow a camera from the school or get a loner from someone. Obviously $200 isn’t all I’m going to be shelling out for this class and suspect he’ll need all sorts of other stuff like film & a carrying case etc. But I don’t want to spend a fortune on this stuff as it seems like a heck of a lot of money for something that he’ll hardly use when class is over at the end of the year - plus it’s cutting into my already meager budget for my cars. /bcforum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/frown.gif

Another thing that bothers me is that my son is somewhat “neglectful” about such items having broke, lost or had stolen no less than three cell phones and a very expensive I-Pod that I refuse to replace.

Anyway any camera advice would be welcome? He needs this thing by Monday.

Cheers,
Bret

aerog
01-23-2008, 07:06 PM
Suggestion? Ebay, pawn shops, or local dealers. There's a glut of 35mm equipment on the market. Look for something like a Pentax K1000

Bret
01-23-2008, 07:09 PM
Suggestion? Ebay, pawn shops, or local dealers. There's a glut of 35mm equipment on the market. Look for something like a Pentax K1000

So I'm guessing that would adjustable aperture & shutter and equal more or less to the Canon K2 I listed above?

aerog
01-23-2008, 07:38 PM
I thought the K2 had disappeared like the K1000 but maybe they have a new modern K2. Anyway, all the instructor is asking is for something that isn't "auto everything". The K1000 (probably the K2 also) is a pure manual camera with a light meter.

Examples:
https://cgi.ebay.com/Pentax-K1000-Film-Ca...1QQcmdZViewItem (https://cgi.ebay.com/Pentax-K1000-Film-Camera-With-Extras-NoRes_W0QQitemZ190193182426QQihZ009QQcategoryZ1524 0QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

https://cgi.ebay.com/1980s-ASAHI-PENTAX-K...1QQcmdZViewItem (https://cgi.ebay.com/1980s-ASAHI-PENTAX-K1000-CAMERA-LENS-BAG-EXTRAS_W0QQitemZ290200987113QQihZ019QQcategoryZ152 40QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

no lens
https://cgi.ebay.com/Pentax-K1000-Film-Ca...1QQcmdZViewItem (https://cgi.ebay.com/Pentax-K1000-Film-Camera_W0QQitemZ110217533224QQihZ001QQcategoryZ297 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

Brooklands
01-23-2008, 09:52 PM
Most local camera shops will have used cameras and lenses. Go in and explain what you need and they may be able to help for a lot less. Dan's Camera City here in Allentown PA is known to suggest you buy something less expensive than what you are looking for instead of trying to get the top $ sale and selling more than you need. Surely there are other shops like at this in other areas with good customer service.

DrEntropy
01-23-2008, 10:54 PM
Suggestion? Ebay, pawn shops, or local dealers. There's a glut of 35mm equipment on the market. Look for something like a Pentax K1000



There's th' deal.


K-1000's are about th' best thing since pockets on shirts.


Scott Knows, I concurr. If he's goin' thru a "film" course that K-1000 will work as well as an MGB does.

weewillie
01-23-2008, 11:59 PM
I know this is not what you are looking for but it looks like a good deal and you could always offer less

https://sandiego.kijiji.com/f-canon-Default-W0QQisSearchFormZtrueQQCatIdZ0QQKeywordZcanon

or this
https://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/ele/549554880.html

DrEntropy
01-24-2008, 12:16 AM
Film or digital...

Film is passez... If he wants to be "cotemporay" he NEEDS the digital stuff.

If he wants to know how it came to be "digital" he should go get a K-1000 and find out.


....just my opinion here.

weewillie
01-24-2008, 12:25 AM
canon k2, amazon.com $219

aerog
01-24-2008, 12:49 AM
Duh... I didn't even see Bret said Canon K2. I was thinking Pentax K2!

DrEntropy
01-24-2008, 12:51 AM
Mee too, Scott.

No harm, no foul.

Bret
01-24-2008, 12:52 AM
Old School Doc! Film for sure according to his paperwork.

I looked at the K2 on Amazon for $219 and have seen some referbs K2 listed for less than a new body. I also looked into a K-1000 and found a pretty good deal. But I've got a line on a guy who says he had two film cameras EOS-1N's that he has just sitting around.

DrEntropy
01-24-2008, 01:10 AM
Well, you be th' judge. If he needs to go film, the K-1000 would be my choice.

swift6
01-24-2008, 01:23 AM
If he has a problem/history with breaking stuff then something like the K1000, as suggested, is the ticket. The EOS will have expensive chips that can break if abused to much, plus can allow some 'cheating' by letting the camera do the work.

The K1000 is an excellent learning camera. Though they seem to be getting pricey lately. Holding value as well. That way you might be able to get your money back out of it when he's done with the class. If he doesn't want to continue with the craft that is.

If I were the teacher, I would also require a fixed focal length lens. Most likely a 50mm. Didn't seem to be a requirement either way for fixed or zoom so don't be afraid of fixed focal lengths. Again, better learning tool.

70herald
01-24-2008, 01:55 AM
Bret there are tons of older 35MMs at dirt cheap prices.
examples of inexpensive cameras include the Pentax K1000 (a decent student camera in its day), Olympus OM-1 (a great little camera)
Now the problem with any old camera is that you don't know what sort of damage has occurred and if it hasn't been used there can be some issues from lack of use, just like our LBCs.

My first choice would be to go to a local camera shop and ask it they have any used cameras with a guarantee. (look for private shops, the chain stores don't have anything) however this will most likely be a bit more expensive (or maybe not) tell them you are looking for an inexpensive camera suitable for a class.

choice two, flea bay, look for an Olympus OM-1, Nikon FM, Nikon FE, all semi pro grade cameras, well made and most likely owned by people how knew something about them. In particular there are a bunch of OM-1s which are close to the end of the auction currently around $50-75 with a 50mm lens.

Also take a look in local classifieds.

aeronca65t
01-24-2008, 07:31 AM
I'd try craigslist locally and see what you can scout out.

Also:

If you could find one close by, many of the Russian SLRs are simple and durable (and sort of cool in their own way)

https://cgi.ebay.ca/SOVIET-RUSSIA-BLT-SLR...8QQcmdZViewItem (https://cgi.ebay.ca/SOVIET-RUSSIA-BLT-SLR-35MM-FILM-CAMERA-SOLID-ZENIT_W0QQitemZ180185000871QQihZ008QQcategoryZ7344 8QQcmdZViewItem)

https://cgi.ebay.com/ZENIT-11-Reliable-Russian-SLR-Camera-KMZ-EXC_W0QQitemZ200099425441QQcmdZViewItem

https://www.rugift.com/photocameras/zenit-camera-km-plus.htm

Bret
01-24-2008, 08:55 AM
Actually those Russian SLRs look kind of interesting wouldn't mind having one myself. But I bet it'd be quite the conversation peice in class should I get one of them for him.

So Nial have you ever owned one?

The last link to the "Zenit KM" looks interesting. Modern looks with manual everything!

Bret
01-24-2008, 09:24 AM
Hey Fella's

What'a think of this one?

K1000 package deal (https://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260206304532&fromMakeTrack=true)

Edit: I'm trying to contact the seller to see if he'd be willing to ship overnight or express mail it because I need it by Monday. If he agrees I'll buy it!

DrEntropy
01-24-2008, 09:29 AM
They're near bulletproof, take about any K-mount lens and are the best inexpensive 35mm built for anyone wanting to learn the craft.

I've literally sold hundreds of 'em to students. I highly recommend it. It'll be working long after those Zenit THINGS are DUST!

Anyone remember 35mm Practika SLR's? Pentacon lenses? Yuck.

aerog
01-24-2008, 10:15 AM
The optics from the Pentax lenses are going to be better (or at least more consistent) than some of the eastern-bloc stuff.

K1000 was the old standard. When you're not using it as a camera it can double as a hammer.

I remember Practika. Barf. Nice conversation pieces.

aeronca65t
01-24-2008, 10:20 AM
....So Nial have you ever owned one?


No,but they seem to have a "strong like bull" reputation.

The K1000 is built by a good outfit (we have a few Pentax cameras).....looks to be a good choice.

DrEntropy
01-24-2008, 10:21 AM
K1000 was the old standard. When you're not using it as a camera it can double as a hammer.

I used to tell photo students they could use it as a self-defense bludgeon in a pinch, then turn around 'n use it to take photos of the aftermath. /bcforum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/jester.gif

NutmegCT
01-24-2008, 11:36 AM
Hmmm ... maybe I'm missing something ...

Bret: "Truthfully I’m a bit disappointed as I told him that I didn’t want him taking this class unless he could barrow a camera from the school or get a loner from someone."

So tell him he disappointed you and that he'll have to find his own camera. Might help him grow up a bit, and become less “neglectful about such items having broke, lost or had stolen no less than three cell phones and a very expensive I-Pod ...".

Just my 2¢
Tom

JamesWilson
01-24-2008, 11:55 AM
So tell him he disappointed you and that he'll have to find his own camera. Might help him grow up a bit, and become less “neglectful about such items having broke, lost or had stolen no less than three cell phones and a very expensive I-Pod ...".


/bcforum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/iagree.gif

Besides which going out and looking at all the different old cameras available can be educational too. He'll have to learn about what he's getting and whether it'll do what he wants done. So, what's F2.8 anyway? /bcforum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif

Brooklands
01-24-2008, 12:01 PM
So tell him he disappointed you and that he'll have to find his own camera. Might help him grow up a bit, and become less “neglectful about such items having broke, lost or had stolen no less than three cell phones and a very expensive I-Pod ...".


Tom,
Are you my half brother or something? I heard my dad saying that as soon as I read the first post. I would have said the same to my step kids when they pulled made those decisions. When I bought my first SLR in college, I had to decide what features I could afford and not have as good of a camera as many of my fraternity brothers. And I still look at the used cameras whenever looking to get a new item for the camera bag.

Well said Tom.

Bret
01-24-2008, 12:18 PM
Well I talked it over with his school counselor and to take another elective would’ve screwed up his whole class schedule & might of left him lacking for credits at the end of the year to graduate. Right now we’ve got a good buffer and she suggested he take this class over my objections. After my initial reaction of “well why don’t you pay for his camera then?” I relented and have agreed to this class.

But whatever happens – the camera is mine and he’d better take care of it. Truthfully he’s gotten better with his stuff and I won’t be replacing anything he gets from now on.

In fact the cost of the camera is going to come out of some work (grunt work) he’ll be doing for me on Sunday. I’m decommissioning an old X-Ray system next week and needed some extra muscle so I decided to have him join me. I talked to my boss and he said it’d be alright if I just pad my time card for a couple extra hours for my son helping out.

Should be interesting – because we’re not simply talking about mowing the lawn or raking up some leaves. We’re talking down & dirty wear your junkiest cloths type of work, because you’re going to sweat and your going to get greasy & grimy. I’m actually kind of excited about seeing how he handles real work for a change.

This is going to be good hehehehe. /bcforum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/devilgrin.gif

I seriously can’t wait.

sideache
01-25-2008, 07:01 PM
I know it's out of your range but I would recommend a canon EOS D30 - that's if he's going to get serious.

Bret
01-25-2008, 07:18 PM
Yes I saw the EOS D30 and it looked nice. But you're correct - it is waaaay out'a my price range. Should he get serious? Well, we'll just have to see.

The good news is I found a camera on eBay and it shipped yesterday. I paid a little extra for shipping so I should it should be delivered today. The cameara is the K1000 that was recommended above.

Kind'a nice it's got'a couple extra lenses. Body, 30mm, 50mm and a 75-200mm along with a flash unit & color filters.

I'm think'in this should get him through the class without any difficulties.

DART
01-26-2008, 03:49 PM
The same way I feel about my Nikon F doc, should make a great self-defense club. Used it to take Christmas pics this past holiday instead of the digicam and am pleased it still works. Next I guess I will dust off the Rollie and try my hand at square.

William
01-26-2008, 05:02 PM
I have a pair of K1000s at home. At least one of them still works-my first one got dropped off a table and the film winder knob got bent up a little. Rather than get it fixed I got a used one (this is the one that still works-it's an original Japanese made one from the 70s rather than the Chinese made one I bought new in 1990). I used the second one until about 2003 or 4, when I got a new Canon film camera, which I only used for about a year and a half, until digital SLRs came down in price enough for me to afford one (at the time $1000 and up was the going rate)

-Wm.