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PC
07-17-2003, 05:25 PM
I can say that it is wrong about the Opel Manta and Kadette having 4x4” wheels. They’re 4x100mm like on a BMW 2002.

You can’t take wheels from an Opel and use them on a Jensen Healey, Midget, Sprite, etc.
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PC.

aeronca65t
07-17-2003, 06:29 PM
Now that you mention it, that seems weird to me too....so I did a quick search:

These two places list the Opel in both b/c sizes (4" and 100mm).

https://www.mrt-wheels.com/boltpatternref.html

https://www.alliedracingwheels.com/patternref.html

I guess I'd be *extra* careful measuring Opel wheels.

One thing one has to watch out for, is the "closeness" of 100mm and 4" patterns. I've even heard folks say that they are "interchangeable" ....but they're not, in my view (and the 98 mm FIAT wheels might seem "close enough" to fit a Sprite too....but shouldn't be used).

tony barnhill
07-17-2003, 06:47 PM
Pretty good list but not complete...I know Nissan 200SX & most of the early Nisson Z car wheels will fit an MGB..I ran 200SX wheels for a while

PC
07-17-2003, 07:37 PM
<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by aeronca65t:


I guess I'd be *extra* careful measuring Opel wheels.

<hr></blockquote>

I bought a set of “Minilite”* wheels with tyres from a guy who had them on his BMW. They sure looked like they’d fit on my Jensen Healey when I measured them with a cheap ruler. They didn’t. images/icons/frown.gif A precision steel rule was rather more enlightening.

Luckily they fit perfectly on my Manta and I got a lot of miles out of them. images/icons/smile.gif

I sold them cheap to a friend who also has a Jensen Healey and is planning on having them re-machined to the 4” bolt circle.


PC.

* everybody calls anything that has eight spokes “Minilites”, Superlights, Compomotives, Panasports, etc. These things say MADE IN UK on them but don’t have any brand markings. I have no idea what they really are.

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Bret
07-17-2003, 08:38 PM
<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by tony barnhill:
Pretty good list but not complete...I know Nissan 200SX & most of the early Nisson Z car wheels will fit an MGB..I ran 200SX wheels for a while<hr></blockquote>

Yup! I picked up a set on Ebay about a year ago. According the seller he pulled these off of his early 280Z that he was replacing with a set of original wheels. Anyway these aftermarket wheels are 14”x6" alloy and where manufactured by “Western Wheels” (wire wheel pattern). These look really cool on my 78B. Ckick & see?

Bret's B with Z wheels (https://home.earthlink.net/~bretduff/id1.html)

I know it's kind of a roll of the dice sometimes, but you can get really lucky once in a while on ebay. I shelled out a little over $200 for these wheels. Then had the local tire store put on a set of rubber on them for another $150. I figure that I saved a heck of allot compared to a set of new minilites.

My only advice would be to check the backspacing if you can before you bid. Just because the wheels you are looking at have the same number of lugs & pattern, doesn’t mean it will always work on your car.

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[ 07-18-2003: Message edited by: Bret ]</p>

SilentUnicorn
07-17-2003, 10:19 PM
ok. thats a neat list....can it be crossed with a backspacing list?...been surfing on and off on this point for a bit....cant seem to find what would bolt on my midg

tony barnhill
07-17-2003, 11:58 PM
Yep, I once thought I could put Jensen Healey wheels on MG's - won't work....one of my local tgire guys keeps all the old 200SX & Z car wheels for me...I pick em up & stack in a corner...got a few! Backspacing on them is almost perfect...especially the turbo Z cars 15"-ers!

aeronca65t
07-18-2003, 03:01 AM
This is from the hotrod newsgroup....I've not verified all of it, but I did scan it and didn't see any obvious errors. May be of some use to someone looking for alternate wheels....
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6 Bolt Wheels ----------------------------------------------------------

6 on 5-1/2"
Chevrolet - all to '48
Chevy/GMC - P.U., van to '70
- 4x4 P.U., Blazer '71-'89
- LUV 2WD '72-'84
Dodge - D-50, Ram 50 P.U. '79-'87
Ford - Courier PU '72-'84
Mazda - P.U. '72-'89
Nissan/Datsun - P.U.. Pathfinder '67-'89
Toyota - SR5, 4WD P.U., Landcruiser, 4-Runner (some) to '89


5 Bolt Wheels ----------------------------------------------------------

5 on 4
64-69 Mopar "A" 13"
65-76 Mopar "A" 14"
Dodge - Aspen, Dart, Demon, Swinger (w/o discs) '63-'72
Plymouth - Barracuda, Duster, Valiant (w/o discs) '61-'74


5 on 4-1/4
Volvo 140, 164 15"
Volvo - all to '89
Ford - T-Bird '89


5 on 4-1/2 (114.3 mm)
AMC Gremlin, Hornet, Pacer, Javelin, Matator, AMX
AMC - most models (exc. Jeep) '40-'89
Chrysler/DeSoto - all full size RWD cars (exc. Imperial) '37-'89
Datsun/Nissan - 1600-2000 '65-'73
- 300ZX, 200SX V6 (some) to '89
Dodge van
Dodge 1/2 ton PU
Dodge - all full size cars & P.U.'s '37-'89
- Dart, Demon, Swinger '73-'80
Ford 1/2 ton van
Ford Granada, Monarch
Ford - All full size cars '49-'72; '79-'85
- Fairlane '62-'79
- T-Bird '55-'71; '77-'79
- Mustang (5-bolt) '65-'73
- Maverick 5-bolt all
- Mustang SVO '85-'86
- Ranchero '68-'84
- Aerostar, Probe, Bronco II/Ranger to '89
Hudson - all '48-'56
Lincoln - all '70-'72; '80-'89
Mazda - RX7 Turbo, 626, 929, MX6 '86-'89
Mercury - all full size cars '52-'54; '61-'72; '79-'85
- Cougar '67-'79
Mopar '73-up "A" body
Plymouth - all full size cars '37-'89
- Barracuda '70-'74
- Duster, Valiant, Volare '73-'80
Pontiac - Tempest, LeMans '61-'63
Studebaker - all '51-'66
Toyota Crown, Hilux PU
Toyota - 2WD P.U. '69-'89
- Supra Turbo '86-'89
Volvo 122, 1800


5 on 4-3/4
Buick - Regal, Century, Special (most mid-size) '64-'80's
Chevy van
Chevrolet - all (exc as noted elsewhere) '49-'89
Corvette all
Corvair '65-'69 5-bolt
GM compact and midsize
Oldsmobile - 442, Cutlass, F-85, Toronado
(most mid-size) '60's-'80's
Pontiac - GTO, LeMans, Firebird, Grand Prix
(mid size) '64-'80's

5 on 5
Austin-Healy 3000
Buick LeSabre, Centurion, Riviera, Electra
Buick - Electra, LeSabre, Riviera, (most full-size) '35-'87
Cadillac - DeVille, Fleetwood '38-'89
- SeVille '77-'79
Chevrolet 3/4 ton vans
Chevrolet - Bel Air, Biscayne, Impala, Caprice, Kingswood
'71-'76
- above w/HD package wagons '77-'89
- Blazer 2WD '71-'83
Chrysler - Imperial '67-'71
Ford, LTD '73-'75
Ford - T-Bird '72-'76
- Galaxie, LTD, Custom '73-'78
Lincoln - all (exc Versailles) '60-'67; '73-'79
Mercury - all '55-'60
- Cougar, XR7 '73-'77
Oldsmobile - all full size RWD '40-'87
Packard - all '51-'55
Pontiac - all full size RWD '40-'86
Rover


5 on 5-1/2
AMC - Jeep (5 bolt) '42-'89
Chrysler - 8 cyl. & wagon '46-'55
- Imperial '54-'66
Ford 2 ton van
Ford Bronco, F100
Ford - all '28-'48
- full size P.U., van, Bronco '49-'89
International Scout, Travelall
Lincoln - all '52-'60
Mercury - all '39-'51
Suzuki - Samurai '86-'89


5 on 100mm
Buick - Century, Skylark, Skyhawk FWD '79-'87
- LeSabre, Riviera, Somerset '85-'88
Chevrolet - Beretta, Citation, Cavalier, Celebrity, Corsica
'80-'89
Chrysler - Laser, Lebaron '85-'87
Dodge - Daytona, Aries, Charger, Lancer, Caravan '85-'89
Oldsmobile - Calais, Ciera, FWD '82-'87
- Firenza, Omega FWD '79-'86
Plymouth - Sundance '87-'89
Pontiac - 6000, Grand Am, J2000, Sunbird, etc. FWD '82-'87
- Fiero '82-'88


5 on 112mm (4.409)
Audi - 5000 Turbo, Quattro '86-'87
Mazda - RX7 GSL '86-'87
Mercedes - all '77-'89
VW - Transporter, Vanagon '71-'89


5 on 115mm
Buick - Century, Electra, LeSabre, Regal, Riviera (some) '83-'89
Cadillac - Allante, most others '84-'89
Chevrolet - Celebrity '85-'89
Oldsmobile - Regency, Ciera, Cutlass, Delta 88 '84-'89
Pontiac - 6000 '83-'89
- Bonneville, Grand Am '86-'89


5 on 120mm (4.72)
BMW 2500, 2800, 3.0, 520, 530, 630, 730
BMW - all 5 bolt to '89


5 on 130mm
Porsche - 911, 912, 944 to '89


4 Bolt Wheels --------------------------------------------------------

4 on 3-3/4
Austin Marina
Triumph Spitfire, TR7
Lotus


4 on 98mm (3.858)
Alfa Romeo Alfetta
FIAT
Lancia


4 on 100mm (3.93)
Acura - Integra to '89
Audi - most models to '89
Audi Fox
BMW 1600, 2002
BMW - 2002, 300-series to '89
Chevy - Chevette '76-'87
- Spectrum, Nova '80-'89
Dodge - Omni, Rampage, Aries, 024 '79-'85
- Charger, Daytona (FWD) '82-'89
Honda - all (except '76-'80 Accord, Civic) to '89
Isuzu - Impulse, I-Mark to '89
Nissan - Pulsar, Sentra '87-'89
Opel Kadett
Plymouth - Horizon, TC3, Reliant, Voyager '78-'89
Renault - all to '89
Toyota - Celica, MR2, Tercel '86-'89
VW - Dasher, Fox, Jetta, Rabbit, Scirocco to '89


4 on 4
Austin-Healey Sprite
Crosley - all '39-'52
MG Midget
Jensen Healey
Opel Manta, Kadette
GM L-body
Buick Skyhawk '75-'81
Chevrolet Vega, Monza '71-'81
Pontiac Sunbird, Astre '76-'81
Oldsmobile Starfire '75-'81


4 on 4-1/4 (4 on 108 mm)
Alfa Romeo (exc. Alfetta)
Ford - Fairmont '78-'86
- Mustang 4-bolt patterns '74-'93
- T-Bird '80-'88
- Pinto '71-'80
- Fiesta '78-'85
- Escort all (RWD and FWD)
- Cortina all
- Taurus, Tempo, EXP to '89
- German-built Capri I, II, III '69-'8?
Mercury - Capri '71-'88
- Cougar '79-'88
- Merkur, Topaz, Lynx '80-'89
- Zephyr '78-'86
Plymouth Cricket
Porsche - 924 '77-'84
Sunbeam - Tiger, Alpine '65-'70


4 on 110mm (4.33)
Mazda - RX2, RX3, RX4, GLC, 626, P.U. '71-'82
- RX7 to '85

4 on 4-1/2
Acura - Legend '86-'89
Buick - Special '61-'63
Chevrolet
Corvair all 4-bolt
Chevy II all 4-bolt
Sprint '85-'87
Nova ('61-'70)
Datsun/Nissan - most models to '89
Dodge Colt '79-'88
Dodge Colt (early)
Ford
Mustang all '65-'68 4-bolt
Falcon, Maverick, Granada all 4-bolt
Mazda - 626, RX7 '83-'87 ????
MGA, MGB, MGC
Olds - F-85 '61-'63
Plymouth - Arrow, Sapporo '79-'88
SAAB all ???
SAAB - 900 to '87
Toyota - most exc. MR2 and P.U. to '89
Triumph TR 1..6


4 on 110mm (4.724)
Honda


4 on 130mm (5.11)
Porsche - 914 '71-'82
VW Beetle, 411, 412, 1500 Sedan, Transporter/Vanagon

MGFever
07-21-2003, 05:06 PM
Now you guys have me curious and I think uninformed! What is "backspacing"? images/icons/confused.gif

tony barnhill
07-21-2003, 05:28 PM
Lemme see if I can explain....the distance between the inner lip of the wheel & the flat surface that mates snugly to the hub....it determines how far into the wheel well or how close to the outer fender lip the wheel protrudes

PC
07-21-2003, 05:32 PM
<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by MGFever:

What is "backspacing"?
<hr></blockquote>

Backspace is the distance from the wheels’ inside edge to the mounting surface.

Compomotive has a detailed description of wheel terms on their website.
https://www.usacomp.com/Offset.htm


PC.

MGFever
07-22-2003, 06:43 PM
Thanks Guys. So if I was to use a Capital I as an example, the backspacing would be the width of the right hand side. Too much and the wheel rubs on the inside, too little and it rubs on the fender. Right?

PC
07-22-2003, 08:17 PM
<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by MGFever:

So if I was to use a Capital I as an example, the backspacing would be the width of the right hand side. Too much and the wheel rubs on the inside, too little and it rubs on the fender. Right?<hr></blockquote>

yup.


PC.

tony barnhill
07-22-2003, 09:10 PM
Go down to your local scrap yard & pay $10 for a used Nissam 200SX wheel...compare its backspacing to your original MGB wheel...put it on front & rear of car & see how the different backspacing works...turn steering left & right & see how the different backspacing works - that is if you have an MG
...oh, with the Nissan 200SX wheel, you can get 205's under MG fender lip - front & rear!

UltimateQuestion
07-30-2003, 11:07 AM
Pretty good list but they left off a few of the more obscure 4 x 3.75" PCD wheel applications. Here's my list:

Austin: Marina
Lotus: Elan, Europa, Seven
Triumph: Herald, Spitfire, GT6, Vitesse, TR7, Dolomite
MG: Metro, Montego, Maestro, MGF
Formula Ford Racers

Many of these were available in Europe, but rare over on this side of the pond.

Mark Noeltner
07-31-2003, 02:19 PM
4x100
Mazda Miata - all years
DeLorean - all years

But you can't interchange them due to backspacing and brake clearance issues.

You can use Honda wheels on a Miata, but must use a hub ring since the Miata is hubcentric.

Lucifer
08-01-2003, 07:10 PM
An addition, all Jaguars from 1971(earlier?) - 1992 are 5x 4.75".