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PC
04-20-2004, 05:09 PM
I think you'll find many people have very definite opinions on this one. As opposed to slightly less controversial subjects like say, religion, Middle East foreign policy or gay marriage.

At the risk of starting WWV here's one guy's website that I found rather interesting.
https://www.baileycar.com/oil_additives_html.htm

PC.

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Henri
04-20-2004, 05:54 PM
Okay...this stuff (ProLong) says it does not contain...PTFE, resins, molys, zinc, copper or graphite...so now what?

Still a "hype"?

lawguy
04-20-2004, 06:16 PM
Read this:

https://www.ftc.gov/opa/1999/09/prolong.htm

then check the Prolong website to see if they have the needed support, and you find this:

https://www.prolong.com/knowledge.aspx

Check all over their website. They now make no verifiable claims of any kind that I can see. They use vague puffery.

What does this tell you about their ability to back up their claims as required by the FTC?

Izual Angel
04-20-2004, 06:43 PM
I live by a simple rule. Only 2 things go in the crankcase: oil, and engine flush.

PC
04-20-2004, 06:54 PM
Here are a couple of the PTFE outfits taking shots at chlorinated chemistry products (like Prolong):
https://www.greasedlightning.com.au/information/chlorine.htm
https://www.carstores.biz/Downloads/Chlorine.pdf

Here's a chlorinated rebuttal (but not from Prolong so its arguments may or may not apply): https://www.mpc-home.com/htmls/Chlorine%20and%20Engine%20Oils.htm


I like Lawguy's term, vague puffery.

It's just my own personal prejudice but I never use anything from anybody that engages in vague puffery or resorts to sideshow exhibitions.


PC

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PC
04-20-2004, 07:02 PM
<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Izual Angel:
I live by a simple rule. Only 2 things go in the crankcase: oil, and engine flush.<hr></blockquote>

Well that leaves out a lot of LBCs. (where you're likely to find coolant, rain runoff, Guinness Stout, bird's nests, fish&chips...) images/icons/grin.gif


PC.

Bruce Bowker
04-20-2004, 08:22 PM
<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by PC:
Here are a couple of the PTFE outfits taking shots at chlorinated chemistry products (like Prolong):
https://www.greasedlightning.com.au/information/chlorine.htm
https://www.carstores.biz/Downloads/Chlorine.pdf

Here's a chlorinated rebuttal (but not from Prolong so its arguments may or may not apply): https://www.mpc-home.com/htmls/Chlorine%20and%20Engine%20Oils.htm

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Read them both and now I am thoroughly confused.
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04-20-2004, 09:10 PM
I too never add anything to my oil. I have used STP and motor honey in the past on a very badly worn engine and my experience is that it just puts off the inevitable.
As far as synthetic oils, I had a friend once that got caught up in selling a certain brand and gave me a free batch to try to get me hooked. I tried it in my "B" and it started using oil. I went back to regular oil and it was a few oil changes before the usage got down to not using any.
Bob

Henri
04-21-2004, 03:20 AM
Anyone with imput regarding...Engine Treatment Formulas...stuff you pour into the crankcase...supposed to treat the engine...some claim to cool the engine...reduce friction...

I was given some "professional grade" Prolong...for the engine, also another for transmission and another one for the fuel tank...

I know people use this stuff for larger vehicles...what about a LBC??

JTB
04-22-2004, 10:26 AM
yup synthetic is formulated for closer tolerances of new cars. Never heard anything good about using in LBC's but great for new cars.

steve99
04-22-2004, 04:27 PM
IMHO there just isnt any good can of Warchowsky's Engine Rebuilding Pellets

Xracer
04-23-2004, 09:29 AM
If you'd like to buy some "Engine Overhaul In A Can"....stops oil burning and LBC oil leakage...restores lost power....increases gas mileage by 30%...fills tooth cavities...ends heartburn....eliminates belly button lint....please send your $19.95 to me.

If you'd like to invest a little more, I'm selling shares and a lovely bridge that I own. images/icons/grin.gif

steve99
04-23-2004, 10:10 AM
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rovernut
04-23-2004, 09:42 PM
AS with most things there's a sucker born every minute...........Caveat Emptor............Buyer Beware

Steve
04-23-2004, 10:26 PM
Just as a supplement to this, I know that John mentioned the use of synthetice being good for newer engines, not for LBCs. I know the whys and the wherefores of this, but my MG has only 26,000 actual miles......would that still apply do you think, or should I stick to the conventional 20/50 that I use now? Opinons?

mongoose
04-23-2004, 11:45 PM
My understanding is that the gaskets/seals that have been accustomed to mineral oil don't cope with the change to synthetics that well, and they tend to start leaking. This may be a different case if it's a new motor with fresh gaskets & seals, but I'm no expert.
Steve, I'd stick with the conventional 20/50 that you're using now.

Xracer
04-24-2004, 08:13 AM
I'm kind of suprised that you other LBC owners are using 20/50.

We Mini owners use 20/50....not because the engine requires it, but because transmission (which runs in engine oil) needs the 50 wt.

Although, at the rate that LBCs leak oil, maybe we should be running 60 or 70 weight.... images/icons/grin.gif

mongoose
04-24-2004, 08:17 AM
Heck, gear oil might take longer to sneak out of an LBC.

aeronca65t
04-24-2004, 09:54 AM
Years ago, I had a 948 Bugeye Sprite that burned a bit of oil and had pretty low oil pressure. As an experiment, I ran it with straight 60 weight motor oil (the stuff they used to put in Harley Davidson motorcycles).
It accelerated even slower than normal, ran hot and wouldn't go over 60 MPH. Oil pressure went up but it still smoked. I went back to straight 40 weight right away.

Henri
04-24-2004, 04:26 PM
Thanks...I guess I've got an early christmas present for someone else...

Engine Treatment Forumla = Fruitcake for cars... images/icons/wink.gif

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Mark Beiser
05-03-2004, 11:56 AM
KK, can someone translate some of that for us non chemists out here? All I gather from it is one side says a particular type of addative is "bad", and the other side said "no its not"... images/icons/wink.gif

Henri
05-04-2004, 03:51 AM
Mark...I started this thread...and what I read is that these additives are all a bunch of "crap"...the best is just to stay with the oils that your car recommends...why take a chance and ruin your investment... graemlins/thumbsup.gif