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TXCoyote
12-10-2006, 11:08 PM
Well, not to beat a dead horse but I recently blew the motor in my 280i, cracked the head and it is unrepairable. I have decided that rather than rebuild the Ford V6 with that /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hammer.gifwonderful (not) Mechanical Injection K Jetronic system I have decided to put a Rover V-8 in it as they did in the mother country. Marshall, as we discussed I'll try and document the conversion for the TVR times but I'll also do it in pieces here. ANyone who has ideas or suggestions, bring them on!

To start, I have acquired a 1988 Rover 3500 Engine. It has the 88 Flapper style FI but is missing a few components. I have also acquired a complete 89 Rover Hotwire Injection system that should provide a little more performance, so that will be what I use. The engine is fairly low miles but has sat for awhile so a trip to the machine shop will be in order for a complete dismantling, reringing, new bearings and whatever else will be needed. I will also balance the reciprocating assembly and install a lightened flywheel.

Transmission is a little more difficult. I originally thought of a Rover LT77 box as was installed in the UK. Those are fairly hard come by here as most Land Rovers have automatics so I sought an alternative. THe alternative found is maid by D & D Fabrications of Almont MI. They can be reached at D & D (https://www.aluminumv8.com) . They are supplying the lightened flywheel, clutch, custom bellhousing set up to work with a T-5 5 speed (GM V-8 variety) a mount and a boat load of tech info. Best of all, they supply a hydraulic throwout bearing that eliminates the need for a clutch slave cylinder. The only mods are to cut 3/1000's off the end of the crankshaft, get the driveshaft mated and lenthened/shotened, connect the exhaust and make a transmission crossmember for which the stock unit may work with some modification.

Other than that the only other issues will be wiring in connections and getting the speedoi and tach to operate.

The parts are all on the way to me and the motor will go to the machine shop next week. I will start putting it all together by the time I get the motor back in about 3 weeks. Budget is $3500-4000, which I think I can achieve.

Appreciate anyones comments and feedback as this might spark some interest in the new Forum Basil has graced us with! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/angel.gif

swift6
12-11-2006, 10:20 AM
I could be wrong but I thought that the five speed used in TR7/8's was also the LT77. Was also used in the Rover P6B and SD1 both of which, along with the TR8, used the same V8.

TXCoyote
12-11-2006, 03:31 PM
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I could be wrong but I thought that the five speed used in TR7/8's was also the LT77. Was also used in the Rover P6B and SD1 both of which, along with the TR8, used the same V8.

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Shawn,

You may be correct but I could not locate one. Additionally, try finding one that isn't already grenaded was problematic so I think the modern alternative of a T-5 will be preferable. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/driving.gif

12-11-2006, 07:45 PM
There is a guy from CO posted on the rover forum who has a bunch of rover spares. His id is motorbill66. You might want to see if he has one. Just a thought.

TXCoyote
12-11-2006, 09:02 PM
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There is a guy from CO posted on the rover forum who has a bunch of rover spares. His id is motorbill66. You might want to see if he has one. Just a thought.

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Too late, have the T5 and the kit on the way. I'll update with some pics when everything has arrived.

TXCoyote
12-15-2006, 09:43 AM
I received the Transmission parts from D & D yesterday. The Bellhousing is very nice and compact. Lightened Flywheel, clutch and other parts are also very nice. I will post pics this weekend

12-22-2006, 10:43 AM
The 81 tr7 trans. is better than other years. Better 4th and 5th ratios. Also by 81 they were putting the right fluid in them from the factory. Used ones are less likely to be trash Tr7 trans. are easy to find the v8 bell housing is hard to locate.

TXCoyote
12-22-2006, 06:41 PM
T-5 has arrived as have the components from D & D. Everything looks very well put together from D & D. Engine went today to Wayne Calvert Precision Motors, of some NASCAR repute so I am expecting a nice streetable motor when it is finished. They will also Dyno it and dial in the FI. It certainly ought to make Wedgie more fun to drive. More updates in a week or two.

mrtvr
12-22-2006, 08:28 PM
You're making me jealous Russ. Now I'm going to want to "tweak" my 280i next.

TXCoyote
12-22-2006, 10:30 PM
Marshall, I was going to do this later but after the V6 blew there is no time like the present. In about 3 weeks I'll have the engine back and the trans resealed and reshimmed and the car ready for the install. I am keeping good notes and will write it up with pics for the TVR Times. I'll keep you informed.

TXCoyote
02-16-2007, 05:54 PM
Several weeks have gone by now and I thought I'd update on the Rover Conversion. All parts are accounted for and the motor is still being rebuilt. By the mid march I should have it back and ready to install. The T-5 looks like an easy mount with only a slight Trans Mount. I have attached a pic of the engine out. Really not too tough of a job as I did it solo, my friends weren't allowed to come play that day.

Sparkie
05-16-2007, 10:18 PM
Russ,

Long time since an update. How is it going?

TXCoyote
06-16-2007, 04:44 PM
Sorry, gents been away awhile for a variety of reasons but here is the latest on my Rover swap. I can honestly say I hope never to have to go through this swap again for a variety of reasons, some having to do with the car's design and some with the sense of urgency from my engine shop. Anyway here goes:

Despite what our pals across the pond told me it became quite obvious after the motor was out that some chassis tubes would need to be redone to facilitate the motor mount brackets. This is being done in early July at a race fabbers shop. Welding round tubes is a job left to experts so even though I have a pretty stout mig setup, I didn't think I was up to the task so out it goes.

My engine shop here is very well known for building Nascar motors and is very busy. There 3 month promise has turned into six months but at tleast it is now done. .010 overbore, everything else was good and we added a little cam. It goes on the Dyno next week and we are expecting about 225 HP. The once the fabber is done, then it off to the exhaust shop, the driveshaft shop, then back for wiring and I should be back on the road, maybe late August?

mrtvr
06-17-2007, 10:32 AM
Good news Russ, I know you'll be glad when it's finished.
How about a full report and photos for the TVR Times when it's done?

Marshall

Sparkie
06-17-2007, 10:52 AM
Thanks for the update Russ. I'm rooting for you! I decided to take the path of less resistance and swap in a 4.0L V6. I picked up complete '99 and '00 4.0L engines last week (each with it's own issue, head gasket and rod knock) - or should I say I stole them both for $80. We'll see how good the deal is if I come out with a good set of heads and crank.

Anyone out there have a real (alloy rather than plastic) intake??

Keep up the good work!

Maybe these will help to inspire - from Van Duzen last month:

https://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u93/scottydeane/P1010898.jpg
https://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u93/scottydeane/P1010897.jpg

TXCoyote
06-17-2007, 04:39 PM
Good news Russ, I know you'll be glad when it's finished.
How about a full report and photos for the TVR Times when it's done?

Marshall

Yup, planning on it Marshall, with unforseen issues and all. Maybe in time for the Winter edition. Sparkie, alloy plenums are often on ebay at reasonable costs although not quite as reasonable as you got the motor for. Before you make your changes, really look at the transmission setup. I resolved mine with the D&D kit with a T5 from a V8 Camaro but those are getting scarce.

TXCoyote
06-28-2007, 08:04 PM
Thought I'd update everyone on the progress of my Rover conversion. The engine is finally complete! This Saturday, 6-30 it goes on the Dyno. We are expecting about 225 HP but with stock reliability. After the dyno run, I have an appointment with the fabricator and the new tubes will be welded in and the engine mounted along with the driveshaft and exhaust. Estimated time to completion is 2-3 weeks. Then I will just have to wire it up and I am back on the road.

And Marshall, if all goes well I'll have the article for you with pics in early September.

mrtvr
06-29-2007, 05:25 AM
Thanks Russ, excited about your progress and looking forward, as I know you are, to the end result.

TXCoyote
08-04-2007, 08:41 PM
Just an update in case anyone is interested. The Engine is in the car. I needed the help of a local fabrication shop because the fellows from across the pond were wrong, this was anything but a bolt-in swap. Unless you take the body off and do major frame mods, this is almost impossible. Luckily, almost impossible means that it is just doable. On the flipside that means it will cost more.

Anyway to make a long story short, it will be done at the fab shop by 8-15 and then it is just wire it up and Go play! I will have a pretty detailed article on it in the TVR Times but I will definitely not recommend anyone else doing it unless they are willing to shell out some serious $ or they have some serious fabrication skills!

Sparkie
08-05-2007, 10:33 AM
Sorry to hear of your difficulties Russ. All the pain should go away when you first put your foot into her!

Please don't take this the wrong way; this helps reinforce my thinking on the 4.0L V6 swap. I keep going back and forth, for I really like that V8 power and sound too - guess I'll have to get that fix in the TR8.

Glad you're making progress. Keep your chin up!

mrtvr
08-05-2007, 12:18 PM
I agree, there's nothing like that V8 power and sound, as I have found out over the last 10 days here in the UK. I've heard the beautiful sound of more V8 wedges and other TVRs than I could have imagined and went out for excellent rides in both a 350i and one of the very rare supercharged 400SX models which was a BLAST! Now I'm dreaming of finding a way to import a 400SE into the States so that I can enjoy it myself. but then, I also spoke to a company that is developing supercharges for various TVR models currently and over the next couple of years, may also develop one for the 2.8 litre V6......stay tuned!!!

Marshall

TXCoyote
08-05-2007, 07:18 PM
No offense taken Scotty. It's only money after all........ That having been said don't tell the wife!

Sparkie
08-06-2007, 09:40 AM
Glad to hear you are having a great time Marshall. Have a good flight back tomorrow.

I thought about supercharging, but no one on the planet (that I can find) makes forged pistons for the Cologna engine - even the newest 4.0L. Of course you can get some custom JE's but they are not cheap. Then there's that twinky oil pump (which Melling should have a high volume avail in a year - prototype running in a car now) and the non-oiling rocker to pushrod, etc. Even hypereutectic's are not recommended for such severe service.

As Russ says, it's only money.... How fast do you want to go?

mrtvr
08-06-2007, 02:10 PM
the nice thing about the system these guys have developed for the 4.0, 4.5 and 5.0 litre Chimaeras and Griffs is that it doesn't require any buildup of the engine, its a straight bolt-on system. On the Chimaera, you get about a 100 hp increase according to what I was told yesterday. It's a very well designed system plus, I spoke with the driver who did extended testing on it through Europe including the Alps, and he was getting above 25 mpg on the road with it. They understand there could be a good market for the V6 version but they want to make sure the current systems are well proven before they branch out to the V6 versions (hopefully in about two years). I'm going to keep an eye on their progress.

Marshall

TXCoyote
08-06-2007, 05:51 PM
You will not make me switch back to a V6 for anything Marshall! Seriously, the motor is in, now the custom headers and then wiring and I am back on the road!

TXCoyote
08-24-2007, 09:16 PM
Quick update: Engine is in and almost fully connected. There is several items to button up and a fair amount of wiring to do as well as redoing the fuel lines as the car has sat for awhile. I think it will back on the road in 3 weeks.

BTW< Marshall I have the article written with pics. Just need to get the car running so I can give a driving impression. I'll have it to you by October 1 for the TVR times

TXCoyote
10-27-2007, 04:54 PM
Here is a teaser.......
Car is back on the road. After sorting a few issues (not major) the review of the entire process will be in article in the next TVR times. So if you are not a member of the TVRNCCA, give Marshall a call and join! Hows that for a shill job Marshall?

mrtvr
10-28-2007, 03:41 AM
Well done, Russ.

Sparkie
10-28-2007, 09:51 AM
Yes, congratulations Russ! Well done. Can't wait to get my TVR Times.

Is it done yet, Marshall?

My project is through the first stage, procuring the parts. I now have the tranny, flywheel, starter, Megasquirt and two flavors of engines to choose from; OHV or SOHC Ford V6 (cologna's).

Happy motoring Russ!

mrtvr
10-29-2007, 03:56 AM
Scotty,
I'm running a bit behind on this issue, but I should have it ready for layout later this week. Then give the printer about three weeks and it will be ready to go in the mailstream to members.

Marshall