View Full Version : A coupla pics for the aviation buffs

07-22-2006, 05:43 PM
https://img97.imageshack.us/img97/9674/fortress1tn1.th.jpg (https://img97.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fortress1tn1.jpg)

https://img97.imageshack.us/img97/5713/liberator1zu1.th.jpg (https://img97.imageshack.us/my.php?image=liberator1zu1.jpg)

B-17G "Nine 'O Nine" and B-24 "Witchcraft". Both planes appeared at DuPage Airport today (tomorrow and Monday as well). Dad and I drove the MG over to have a look around, sadly we couldn't afford the $375 or so donation it costs to take a ride (in fact, Witchcraft flew over the house about fifteen minutes ago). I may go back over there tomorrow afternoon (I'll have to scam off work to do so) and watch 'em take off again.

Nice planes. Got a bunch of photos. Thought y'all would like to see 'em.


tony barnhill
07-22-2006, 05:48 PM
They were in Huntsville a month or so ago...I also thought the $375 was a bit steep...but, the old-timer WWII vets jumped on them - nostalga, I guess.....though I have no desire to hop in a Huey or Chinook!

07-22-2006, 05:59 PM
I'd ride in the b-17... One of my favorite WWII aircraft.

07-22-2006, 08:41 PM
One in SPI this week, "aluminum overcast", they wanted $400. I'd pay a grand for a Spitfire or a Hawker Typhoon. Grandpa flew Typhoons for 609 sqn RAF, and mosquitos in WWII.
William, if you ever make it down to Springfield, the Air Combat Museum here has p51, corsair, b25, all working and flown often, nothing like the sound of a P51 flying at 500 ft agl over the house.

07-22-2006, 09:14 PM
Actually since you mention P51s I was lucky enough to be in Wanaka (NZ) a few years ago, as part of a month long trip to NZ and Aus.

They have a dual control P51 that you can take a ride in (and take the controls). It's not cheap, but it is a rush that's for sure. The guy I took the trip with is a yank and he was creaming to go, so I had to too. Waaay cool. Hot (you are sat on the rad) and cramped - especially if like me you are 6'2 and heavy.

Oh and if you ever ever ever find somewhere the same with a spit, let me know. Please...

07-22-2006, 09:25 PM
To my knowledge, there's only a couple of spits still flying, 1 dual and one single. Heartbreaking really.

Hot? Hotter than an LBC firewall?

07-22-2006, 09:50 PM
I wouldn't have to think twice about forking over $375 to ride a 17. It's one of the things I want to do before I die, that and ride shotgun with the Blue Angels or the ThunderBirds(hey, I'm not picky), drive something that cost more than my house VERY fast, etc, etc. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

07-22-2006, 11:09 PM
The dual spit is owned by Carolyn Grace. Interesting story if you care to read about it.

And yes the back seat of the P51 is hotter than an LBC firewall. I felt sick from the heat during the aerobatic part of the flight. My LBC doesn't do that to me /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

07-23-2006, 12:33 AM
Actually, there is a dual seat (trainer) Spitfire in Colorado. Its in Aspen and the mechanic for it is here in Fort Collins. The mechanic has followed the plane from England, to Canada and then here to Colorado. I've had the privelege of sitting in both the front and rear seats, but only on the ground. The same mechanic has seen the plane go through three owners. I've been at the airport when he arrives and leaves after inspections and maintenance. He buzzes the runway, gear up and full throttle at about twenty feet. Spine tingling. I queried the mechanic once about how many Spitfires were still flying and he said loads. When I pressed harder he said he knew of about 25 or so.

The same mechanic also restored a Dragonfly (37 litre Griffon V-12) a few years ago and won a Golden Wrench award at Osh Kosh for it. Just this year he finished the restoration of a Hawker Hurricane that is destined to be part of the Lone Star Aviation museum in Texas. He has another Hurricane fuselage in his hanger as well.

I met him through local British car contacts. His pride and Joy is a 1933 Alvis Speed Six that he built the body for. All the switch gear and guages are WWII aircraft items. He also has an Aston Martin DB5, an older Aston Martin Earls Court show car from David Browns early association with the company (sadly this car is in pieces), a Triumph TR3 and TR6 and a couple of older Rovers. One of which is a 75, the other is a pre-war car that I have only seen once. His personal aircraft project is the restoration of his Aeronca.


07-23-2006, 06:25 AM
His personal aircraft project is the restoration of his Aeronca.

Now there's a smart fellow! Warbirds are cool but ~WARBUGS~ (https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v170/aeronca65t/my_plane_air65tl.jpg) are better for us "little people". /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/jester.gif

For what it's worth, you can fly in a dually P-51 (really, a "TF-51") at Kissimmee in Florida. A friend of mine did it....big bucks.

I've seen "9-0-9" She's a beaut and when all those round motors are humming.....music to my ears!

My secretary's step-Dad is Charley Fox,a very famous Canadian Spitfire pilot who shot up Rommel in WW II. Charley just did a show on this for Public Television.


07-23-2006, 09:37 PM
I have a short video clip of a Spitfire "worm burning" Alan de Cadenet at less than 20 feet. It is 6.5 MB zipped otherwise I would post it. However, I found a smaller version here:


07-23-2006, 09:58 PM
That is the funniest thing I've ever seen.
What color is adrenaline?

07-23-2006, 10:01 PM
Great video. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsup.gif

tony barnhill
07-23-2006, 10:02 PM
I've seen that before but it always makes me laugh out loud....

07-23-2006, 10:16 PM
Heck I ducked here in the livingroom - hehehehehe.

07-23-2006, 10:34 PM
That's pretty much the effect even if you see it coming.

07-24-2006, 09:39 AM
What I like is that he obviously knows that he is going to be buzzed and he smiles when he has finished doing the commentary, but he didn't think it would be that close. That is one heck of a Pilot and he can also cut grass at the same time. Somebody had mentioned that the Pilot was Ray Hanna, ex-leader of the RAF Red Arrows aerobatic team. As I mentioned, I have a bigger version where I also brought the sound level up. If anyone wants a copy let me know (6.5MB zipped).

Now, on a much larger scale. A guy I used to work with took this shot of a VC10 (competitor to and similar size as the old Boeing 707) as it made its opening fly past at an airshow in the UK in the 70's. I used to work on the old "Iron Duck" as we called it.

tony barnhill
07-24-2006, 09:53 AM
How'd he keep the speed up at that low level so that the landing gear warnings didn't go off?

07-24-2006, 09:58 AM
Generally, landing gear warnings are a combination of low throttle settings and flap configuration. As long as you have the power and flaps up you will not get any warnings. The only way the airplane would know it is close to the ground is via a radar altimeter or ground prox database of which the Spitfire never had to my knowledge.

tony barnhill
07-24-2006, 10:06 AM
Yeah, but that VC10 in 'TRDejaVu's' post does have ground prox database!

07-24-2006, 10:44 AM
That I remember, it had a Rad Alt but I don't think that ground prox systems were fitted then. I could be wrong as I was airframe/engine not avionics. Aircraft sometimes get "reconfigured" for airshows by having certain circuit breakers pulled. That's what happened with the Air France A320 that then drifted into the trees when the Captain "forgot" that it takes a turbine engine longer to spin up than a piston engine.

07-24-2006, 07:04 PM
I wouldn't have to think twice about forking over $375 to ride a 17. It's one of the things I want to do before I die, that and ride shotgun with the Blue Angels or the ThunderBirds(hey, I'm not picky), drive something that cost more than my house VERY fast, etc, etc. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

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Neither one of us had the cash on hand, and Mum would've kilt us dead if we'd put it on our respective Visas. Or gone to our respective banks and drawn the cash. But I'm reasonably sure that if we'd prepared a bit for this, we'd have gone. Dad, who's not all that keen on airplanes, but likes 'em well enough (more of a steam train guy, aside from sports cars), seemed awful interested. I think the novelty of flying around in a vintage aircraft intrigued him.

For many years, probably until about six or seven years ago, there used to be a big airshow at DuPage airport. Quite a few vintage aircraft would fly in (I've seen Aluminum Overcast and Sentimental Journey, as well as a coupla Mustangs), and there'd be all sorts of flyovers of more recent hardware. You military types will most likely be nonplussed by this, but a constant stream of flyovers of B-52s, Tomcats, Eagles, Falcons, and various airliners is an awful ****ed impressive sight! They have a similar show out at the Aurora airport, but I've never managed to go out there.


07-24-2006, 08:48 PM
Hasn't been an airshow in Tuscaloosa in at least 18 or so years. I went to the last one at age 14 or 15. I almost drove by myself to one about 6-7 years ago in Jackson MS... I mostly wanted to see the stealth fighter F-117's they were going to have.. but the single Harrier hover-jet intrigued me as well. Best we had at Tuscaloosa years ago, was a c-130 you could walk into, a stearman biplane that (very staged) supposedly dropped it's pilot whilst flying inverted, and a flyby of a couple old f-4's at pretty close to sonic speed. Since then, I've seen better while out and about. Above sonic (yes they are not supposed to officially do that over US land) jets flying by at just above tree level - along the river while I was fishing (my ears rang for quite a while).. Lot's more just above tree level flyovers at normal speeds (and what's really cool is you don't hear them coming until just the second that they appear and scare the crud out of you. A couple objects that were military (surrounded my military jets), but not anything I could identify (through binnocculars the big central one was at minimum, as big as a XB-170, probably bigger, and with less of a neck - this is in size reference to the 6 or so fighter jets flanking it, and my having watched (repeatedly) tv footage of the XB-170, and even built a scale model of it (one of my favorite jets).

I guess there's probably more than a couple airbases less than 200 miles from me, so I see a lot of interesting aircraft every once in a while.

07-24-2006, 10:57 PM
I saw thse two WWII Airplanes as we landed on our return
from the East Coast.

- Doug

07-25-2006, 07:04 AM
I flew from Brize Norton in the UK to the Falkland Islands in a VC10. I never want to see one of those again!

07-26-2006, 07:13 PM
Hey Kenny,
You are in prime location of Columbus AFB. They have had several shows over the years. Had the T birds this year. Look into it. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif