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Jerry
10-21-2005, 01:49 PM
Here is a loaded question for you. I have a friend that has decided to buy either a tiger or an E type. Do any of you have experience with both that would like to chime in with opinions?

Radford
10-21-2005, 04:49 PM
The E-type is the iconic british sports car of its era. It is one heck of a sexy beast. It is fast, smooth, and a bit raw (well Series I and II). I want one - in the worst way.

The Tiger is a sleeper, a nice well balanced car and the Ford V-8 (302 I think) under the hood really makes it GO. Ford engine parts are a little easier to get, and maybe somewhat less expensive.

Basil
10-21-2005, 05:00 PM
I own an EType. I owned a 67 Etype in High School and once raced a Tiger. He blew my doors off. I still prefer the EType, just becaue its just such a sexy beast...oh behave! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif (And it drives like a dream).

BAsil

Steve
10-21-2005, 07:24 PM
In a sprint, the Tiger......but on a coast-to-coast long haul, the E-Type. They make for wonderful Grand Tourers.

inked
10-21-2005, 08:34 PM
interesting that should make this post. my tiger was my uncle's, purchased new in 67 - his trade in, a 65 E-type OTS. i remember him telling my dad that he pulled in to test drive the tiger on a whim and was blown away by what he thought was better handling and performance. like Basil says, the E-type is a sexy beast and the quintessential brit roadster (and i would love to have one!) but i enjoy driving the powerful unknown sleeper.

DART
10-21-2005, 09:56 PM
Now if the choice was Etype vs Daimler I could see it being a tough decision. Versus a Tiger should be an easy win for the E. IMHO

thegoodbeamer
10-22-2005, 07:25 AM
The only drawback of a tiger is the seats.They could be a bit more comfortable.We spent 18 hours in the 62 alpine but then we had better seats.
hard choice though and if I could I would have both of them

Basil
10-22-2005, 08:59 AM
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if I could I would have both of them

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That's the right answer! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Jerry
10-22-2005, 10:54 AM
What if I add the requirement that the driver must fit in the car and he is quite large?

r67cat
10-22-2005, 04:25 PM
Having both in my garage I can tell you that for fit, finish and head snapping performance the Tiger wins hands down. Also is quite comfortable as a cruiser with properly restored seats. The E is the ultimate head turner, good performance and comfortable on trips. Convertible top fit on the E is marginal at best. The Tiger is very water tight. Both cars have been completely restored down to the last nut and bolt and perform as new. I would not part with either, but they are completely different cars. Rick

jfslenes
11-09-2005, 01:37 PM
In spite of an on track experience passing a race preped E with my tachless Gato resulting in possible over reving and turned bearing, I'll still take the Gato!

R6MGS
11-09-2005, 03:32 PM
One Word...Corvette

HEHEHE

Zack

Tullamore
11-10-2005, 05:48 PM
The thing is if you go to any British car show there will be tons of E-types and one Tiger if any.

78Z
11-10-2005, 10:59 PM
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The E-type is the iconic british sports car of its era. It is one heck of a sexy beast. It is fast, smooth, and a bit raw (well Series I and II). I want one - in the worst way.

The Tiger is a sleeper, a nice well balanced car and the Ford V-8 (302 I think) under the hood really makes it GO. Ford engine parts are a little easier to get, and maybe somewhat less expensive.

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I think most of them used the 260cid version and some later ones the 289cid.

Tullamore
11-11-2005, 10:35 AM
Only 534 had 289s, although a lot of tigers now have had a 302 put in.

r67cat
11-12-2005, 03:52 PM
All the Tigers produced with the 260 engine are referred to as Mark 1 or the latter ones as Mark 1A. Most all the 260 engines were special, in that they were 289 blocks only bored to displace 260 cu. inches. You can tell these blocks by the three freeze plugs on each side. (Just as all 289's). The stock Ford 260 will have only 2 freeze plugs on each side and can not be bored out to a 289 displacement. As a result many owners when rebuilding these special 260's will punch them out to a 4 inch bore to get the 289 displacement. So many Tigers will be seen with a 289 and have the original block. Bell housings and other brackets are unique to these special 289 blocks. Originality can have a significant effect on value. Rickhttps://home.comcast.net/~r67cat/Tiger1.jpg https://home.comcast.net/~r67cat/Tigerengine.jpg

thegoodbeamer
11-14-2005, 08:49 AM
Nice Tiger
So much like the one I sold.Sort of wish I never but with the Lister and the now the 62 almost mechanically finished I will mamage somehow.

MikeP
11-14-2005, 12:40 PM
I disagree that the Tiger blocks were underbored 289s. These engines came from Ford's Canadian industrial engine unit and although most have 3 freeze plugs the cylinder wall thickness is that for the 260. I have 2 at home as well as a same period 289 and they are different.

MGA Steve
11-14-2005, 02:12 PM
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The thing is if you go to any British car show there will be tons of E-types and one Tiger if any.

[/ QUOTE ]You need to come to the 24th Annual English Motoring Conclave in Denver next year. This year, we had more Tigers than E-Types, although the total number of Jaguars overall (XKs, saloons, etc.) greatly outnumbered the total number of Sunbeams. And that was out of a total of 550 British vehicles at the Conclave. Maybe we just have more Tiger owners out here than in other parts of the country.

r67cat
11-15-2005, 10:56 PM
Hi Mike, The Tiger engine is well documented in the book "Performance Tuning The Sunbeam Tiger" Some Tigers had the Falcon type 260, but most had the Special 260. In addition to the three freeze plugs the block can be differentiated by the relatively straight surface of the block along the lifter valley, just as all 289's. I just rebuilt my 260 and had opportunity to compare it to a regular 260 cast in 1964. Just as the book shows they are a completely different block. You can see by the picture that this is an under bored 289 by the distance between the cylinder bores and the water jackets. You can also make out where the 260 heads fit to the block. 289 heads would have the same profile as the block along the lifter valley. Rick https://home.comcast.net/~r67cat/Tigerblock.jpg

MikeP
11-21-2005, 03:29 PM
I did some looking over the weekend and can't find my reference for this. However the Performance tuning for the Tiger Guide is incorrect in this regard. Also, the book, "How to rebuild Small Block Ford Engines" documents on page 27 that after Feb 63 that the 260 block also changed to three core plugs and the wider spaced engine mount holes. However, these blocks cannot be bored to 289 ci even though they externally resemble the 289 casting. So you can try boring to 289 but all the evidence I've seen says it won't work.