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#619178 - 10/25/09 02:02 PM
Re: Home made sway bars.
[Re: CurtisJ]
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Registered: 10/25/09
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Nice install! Did you have a measurement on the sway bar before the install? Your pivots look nice and stout, also is there any worry about the mounts to the suspension at the base (is that welded or a new drop below the shock mount).
Fantastic work!
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#620043 - 10/28/09 10:26 AM
Re: Home made sway bars.
[Re: freds4hb]
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Registered: 09/23/05
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just remember these are springs and require spring steel. It's nice to have the front bar as hollow tube, instead of solid to save some weight (tr4's are front heavy to begin with). You should not heat up a sway bar to bend it since you will loose the temper. Most front sway bars for TR4's (non stock) are from 3/4"-1". The length of the arms has a significant effect on how thick a bar you use. Go for it. Rob
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#620059 - 10/28/09 11:26 AM
Re: Home made sway bars.
[Re: trfourtune]
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Registered: 09/14/04
Posts: 223
Loc: South NJ / Philly
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Tab, You can assemble your own "Nascar style" sway bar. There are a few TR's floating around with this set up. I don't have any detailed photos, but a fellow racer of ours runs one on his TR3 http://www.hsrrace.com/HSR/photogal.nsf/plinks/HSRP-7TRT8F . The biggest thing you see people do wrong when installing a sway bar is that they don't shim where the mounts meet the frame. You want the bar to move pretty easily, not bind up.
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#634476 - 12/18/09 08:07 PM
Re: Home made sway bars.
[Re: Monkeywrench]
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Registered: 08/01/09
Posts: 19
Loc: Portland, Oregon
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Tab, My suggestion is that you first determine that your car would truly benefit from a rear sway bar. I don't know about TR4s but I do know Healey 3000s. I put a rear sway on my 3000 when I first started racing it. Why, because it was a thing that you put on race-cars, right? Well, it created massive over-steer. If you need it, great. If you don't, you could be swapping ends. Not a good thing in the heat of battle. Talk to some of the other fast TR4 drivers and ask if they are using rear sway bars. The slow ones wouldn't know one way or the other.
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#634543 - 12/19/09 06:38 AM
Re: Home made sway bars.
[Re: dougie]
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Registered: 11/28/01
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Loc: Northwest NJ
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Yeah, ditto on the rear bar for me too. I got one for free and put it on my race-Spridget for one practice session.....then then took it off. And gave it away. No wonder it was free.  I can't say if rear bars are worthwile on TRs. I'm sure a good-sized front sway bar is useful. For Spidgets, a panhard rod on the rear axle is useful. Nice *rear* disk brakes, Dougie! 
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#634740 - 12/19/09 04:16 PM
Re: Home made sway bars.
[Re: Twosheds]
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Registered: 09/14/04
Posts: 223
Loc: South NJ / Philly
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Regarding a rear sway bar:
It ultimately depends on several things. Type of diff, car set up (spring balance front to rear), type of competition, and driving style.
A locker or welded diff, might be better off without on, where a Quaife or Salisbury diff might like it to a point (too much bar will cause the inside wheel to lift, hurting your drive off a corner).
If your car is softly sprung in the rear compared to the front, you may want one.
A smoother driver might find they need a rear sway bar, where a jerky driver might not want one.
You might find that the car is undrivable without a rear sway bar on a race track, but the opposite is true on an autocross course. On the street, you shouldn't be driving to the point where you can tell if it has one or not.
Start out by not running one, and go from there.
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#635913 - 12/23/09 04:34 AM
Re: Home made sway bars.
[Re: Monkeywrench]
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Registered: 02/23/07
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Loc: Germany, Saarbruecken
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If your car is softly sprung in the rear compared to the front, you may want one.
A smoother driver might find they need a rear sway bar, where a jerky driver might not want one.
Very well explained! Seems that I belong to the "smoother drivers" group and find myself happy to run a rear swaybar. Combined with a welded diff and stock springs at the rear the car is neutral and fast enough in most cases. Cheers Chris
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#636003 - 12/23/09 10:36 AM
Re: Home made sway bars.
[Re: MadMarx]
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Registered: 09/14/04
Posts: 223
Loc: South NJ / Philly
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Exactly!!
It would be safer to start off with no rear bar, until the driver knows what they want and they can add one and continue making it stiffer to suit their style.
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#636961 - 12/27/09 03:14 AM
Re: Home made sway bars.
[Re: tony barnhill]
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Registered: 02/23/07
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Loc: Germany, Saarbruecken
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The bar behind is a panhard rod.
Cheers Chris
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#637575 - 12/29/09 03:20 AM
Re: Home made sway bars.
[Re: tony barnhill]
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Registered: 02/23/07
Posts: 239
Loc: Germany, Saarbruecken
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anti tramp bars are along the leaf springs. Some have them above the springs, others under the leaf spring. They remove the windup of the leaf spring under hard acceleration or braking. The longer the leaf spring or the distance between axle tube and the spring itself (spacer) the more the bars are needed.
As far I remember the Healys do have them.
Cheers Chris
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#638275 - 12/31/09 07:32 AM
Re: Home made sway bars.
[Re: tony barnhill]
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Registered: 02/23/07
Posts: 239
Loc: Germany, Saarbruecken
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Depending on what he is going for. If he is more drag racing then the tramp bars are the way to go. For racing on normal tracks I would prefere the sway bar. With the sway bar the balance of the car is adjusted. Also the Panhard bar does rise cornering speed while the tramp bar is pretty useless during cornering, only weight that needs to be carried around.
But to answer your question:
I would install the tramp bars above the axle tube and leave the sway bar under it. Reason: with the sway bar under it you can adjust it quicker than removing the wheels first when the sway bar is above.
Cheers Chris
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