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#616796 - 10/16/09 02:05 PM
looking for valve adjust shortcut.
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Yoda
Registered: 06/11/06
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Loc: island, USA
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Ok, I've installed my refurbished rocker arm assembly and tightened it down to 65#. I admit up front I am looking for a short cut to static timing and setting my valves from scratch according to Bentley. Here are the steps I took to avoid this nightmare. My car was running fine when I removed the rocker assembly. 1. My timing is set at 10* advance 2. My No 1 piston is in the plug firing position 3. My dizzy rotor arm is pointing at cyl No1 in the cap. 4. My dizzy points are full open (plug #1 would be firing) I kept very careful track NOT to move anything in the engine. I was very careful to keep the rocker arms in their original position on the rocker shaft. I installed the new assembly very carefully and tightened the 6 nuts slowly, at 5 pound intervals. As I tightened down, the pushrods rotated the rocker arms and pushed down various valve springs. Photo below of 4 rocker arms. Edit-Cyl 5 and 6 in photo Q? Is there some way to avoid the lengthy static timing and the lengthy process of setting all the rocker arms adjustment screws at neutral , trying to find TDC all over again? And beginning from ground zero? Q2 If I simply installed the plugs, wires and dizzy cap and turned the key-- what might happen? thanks, dale (Tinster) 
Edited by Tinster (10/16/09 02:08 PM)
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#616807 - 10/16/09 02:23 PM
Re: looking for valve adjust shortcut.
[Re: Tinster]
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Yoda
Registered: 09/21/02
Posts: 3672
Loc: East Nassau, NY (nr. Albany)
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Ok, I've installed my refurbished rocker arm assembly and tightened it down to 65#....
Q? Is there some way to avoid the lengthy static timing and the lengthy process of setting all the rocker arms adjustment screws at neutral , trying to find TDC all over again? And beginning from ground zero? No. But... There's no need to worry about TDC, TCB, STP or anything else.  You can check and adjust the clearances from wherever you are now. Just remember the "rule of 13" and adjust 1 when 12 is open, 2 when 11 is open, etc., etc. The whole process shouldn't take more than 30-45 minutes at worst, with a 1/2" box wrench, a flat-blade screwdriver, and feeler gauges for .009" (should slide very easily), .010" (should almost "snag") and .011" (should not go through). Q2 If I simply installed the plugs, wires and dizzy cap and turned the key-- what might happen? Odds are it would start and run reasonably well, but at least some of the valve clearances would be off somewhat. Loose isn't all that bad, but tight is another thing.
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#616810 - 10/16/09 02:26 PM
Re: looking for valve adjust shortcut.
[Re: Tinster]
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Jedi Knight
Registered: 06/27/08
Posts: 964
Loc: PA
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Dale... you may be making a mountain out of a mole hill. Setting the valve clearence is not too bad a job. Heck you've already done the hard stuff! Remove all the plugs to make it easier to turn the crank, then just follow the instructions in the Bently manual. Setting the valves is done while the engine is cold and I believe the specs are .010. I know you can do this Dale!
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#616813 - 10/16/09 02:37 PM
Re: looking for valve adjust shortcut.
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Yoda
Registered: 06/11/06
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Loc: island, USA
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Yes, I know how to set the valve clearances. Done it twice maybe 3 times. It is the static timing thing I am trying to avoid.
I'll take Mr Bentley down to the garage for a while.
thanks all.
dale
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#616846 - 10/16/09 04:33 PM
Re: looking for valve adjust shortcut.
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Yoda
Registered: 06/11/06
Posts: 7103
Loc: island, USA
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Dale stay away from the distributor!!! They tend to bite if you are not careful!!
Just kidding, but as the others said, no need to worry about it. You have it running well, so it will be fine. Valves adjusted by the book- Mr. Bentley. Bloody knuckles and cut finger to prove it!!
Total failure! The engine used to start instantly on the first crank. Now It cranks over fast as always but no hint of ignition. No hint it is even thinking about starting.
Back to the drawing board. A new puzzle to solve, at a future time.
thanks for all the advice.
dale(Tinster)
Edited by Tinster (10/16/09 04:40 PM)
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#616874 - 10/16/09 06:29 PM
Re: looking for valve adjust shortcut.
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Great Pumpkin
Registered: 09/15/05
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Loc: Elsinore, DK
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Replacing the rocker assembly in no way has any influence on electrical (distributor) timing. If all the mechanical bits are in place correctly th' thing has no choice but to run.
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#616932 - 10/16/09 10:43 PM
Re: looking for valve adjust shortcut.
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Great Pumpkin
Registered: 09/15/05
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ooOHH... My most awful experience!! How I got my nomer! Me Da declar'd me th' PhD of Entropy fer leavin' a rotor onna workbench.................  ...th' truth. Now ya'll KNOW.
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#616959 - 10/17/09 04:47 AM
Re: looking for valve adjust shortcut.
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Yoda
Registered: 06/11/06
Posts: 7103
Loc: island, USA
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Doc,
The cap and wires were off in one picture. Maybe the distributor lead from the coil is loose? Loose lead wire in center electrode? Forget to put rotor back on?
Not that I've ever done anything like that.........yeah, right Paul. Maybe not more than five or ten times perhaps. You were close Paul! A broken rotor was partly to blame. I replaced it. The dizzy dog in my car is 180* out remember? That's why my dizzy plug wires were in odd positions. In the middle of sleeping, it dawned on me, Jeff had reset my dizzy to match my dog. Out of years of habit, I installed the plug wires in their "Old" position on the dizzy.
Got up this morning at 4:30 to go fishing, rewired the dizzy plug leads. Car fired up on very first crank. I was super tired and it was getting dark when I put the plugs and wires back on yesterday. I guess some fine adjustment and I'm driving again.
A good morning omen for fishing. thanks all,
dale(Tinster)
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#616964 - 10/17/09 06:20 AM
Re: looking for valve adjust shortcut.
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Registered: 06/27/08
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Just proves that sleeping on the job can be good. Good job, glad your back on the road 
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