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#615166 - 10/10/09 03:50 PM
Re: More Morgans - new project
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Great Pumpkin
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WOOHOO!!! Now THAT'S a proper engine transplant!  I see there's been some knobblin' on th' Webers for a good return spring answer. I used Atari computer bits for one we stuffer into a Seven a few years back.
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#615167 - 10/10/09 03:54 PM
Re: More Morgans - new project
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And if ya need any engine bits or answers, lemme know!
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#615174 - 10/10/09 04:08 PM
Re: More Morgans - new project
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And if ya need any engine bits or answers, lemme know! I'll take you up on that one. <grin> One of my tasks is "fix all the oil leaks". Ugh. Motor & tranny are coming out for a clutch job anyway. This is the stock-ish Morgan 1500cc block with the head conversion.... and supposedly a billet crank. God knows what else is in there. Sidedrafts are 45's. Engine doesn't really start to run until 3000RPM.
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#615183 - 10/10/09 05:03 PM
Re: More Morgans - new project
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Great Pumpkin
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Sounds kinda "hodge-podge"!
Is the block a Kent Ford?!?!
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'84 300D Turbo:"Diesela"-SWMBO's Daily: OO|#|OO
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#618614 - 10/22/09 06:56 PM
Re: More Morgans - new project
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Sounds kinda "hodge-podge"! Is the block a Kent Ford?!?! I initially assumed it was, but no -- it's got the lotus timing chain cover on the front..... duh.
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#618615 - 10/22/09 06:56 PM
Re: More Morgans - new project
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Got any photos of it with the bonnet attached? next spring -- after paint, powder coat, chrome, and upholstery.....
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#618620 - 10/22/09 07:19 PM
Re: More Morgans - new project
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Jedi Knight
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Well, the standard Lotus engine has a Ford 1500 Kent, pre-crossflow, overbored to 1558cc. This seems like a very logical conversion for a Moggie.
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#618645 - 10/22/09 09:09 PM
Re: More Morgans - new project
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Great Pumpkin
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I agree!
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#619774 - 10/27/09 01:41 PM
Re: More Morgans - new project
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Well, the standard Lotus engine has a Ford 1500 Kent, pre-crossflow, overbored to 1558cc. This seems like a very logical conversion for a Moggie. I don't know much about Lotus specifics -- and now I'm curious. So what makes a pre-xflow lotus different than a Kent, aside from bore?
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#619867 - 10/27/09 07:07 PM
Re: More Morgans - new project
[Re: eschneider]
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Great Pumpkin
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I don't know much about Lotus specifics -- and now I'm curious. So what makes a pre-xflow lotus different than a Kent, aside from bore?
The 1558 Lotus WAS a Kent block. The head was designed by Mike& Keith and bolted to the overbored Kent. 105 HP outta th' box, more with proper tweaks.
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#619868 - 10/27/09 07:07 PM
Re: More Morgans - new project
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Well, the standard Lotus engine has a Ford 1500 Kent, pre-crossflow, overbored to 1558cc. This seems like a very logical conversion for a Moggie. I don't know much about Lotus specifics -- and now I'm curious. So what makes a pre-xflow lotus different than a Kent, aside from bore? The standard Kent is a pushrod engine. Off with its head, and substitute the Lotus twin cam head, and you have a Lotus engine. OK, a bit over-simplified, but not much! The pre-crossflow Ford block is a little shorter thna the crossflow - can't remember exactly how much, now.
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#620074 - 10/28/09 12:25 PM
Re: More Morgans - new project
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The 1558 Lotus WAS a Kent block. Darn, Doc - you have been around a long time...didn't know Lotus was thought.....hehehehe......& I know you're talking about engine size not the year Mary I died & Princess Elixabeth, the daughter of Anne Boleyn, became queen.
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#622396 - 11/05/09 11:58 AM
Re: More Morgans - new project
[Re: Roger]
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Well, the standard Lotus engine has a Ford 1500 Kent, pre-crossflow, overbored to 1558cc. This seems like a very logical conversion for a Moggie. I don't know much about Lotus specifics -- and now I'm curious. So what makes a pre-xflow lotus different than a Kent, aside from bore? The standard Kent is a pushrod engine. Off with its head, and substitute the Lotus twin cam head, and you have a Lotus engine. OK, a bit over-simplified, but not much! The pre-crossflow Ford block is a little shorter thna the crossflow - can't remember exactly how much, now. OK, so I've heard of converting a 1500 ford to a Lotus twin cam.... There's a description in Mr. Bean's catalog, I think. Was there an early lotus design that didn't use that front casing with the water pump embedded in it?
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#622630 - 11/06/09 04:16 AM
Re: More Morgans - new project
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Was there an early lotus design that didn't use that front casing with the water pump embedded in it? Not that I know of... the first few Elans off the line didn't have the T/C installed but were "recalled" and fitted with 'em soon after. There are some 2L Pinto block tricks, too. Front cover then needs to be "shimmed" with a 1/4" adapter to seal to the head. ISTR the early Kent as a 1300cc... but again: that may simply be evidence of an ill-spent youth.
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#622714 - 11/06/09 09:21 AM
Re: More Morgans - new project
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Mr Bean also has a kit to convert a cross-flow 1600 to a twin cam. Ends up displacing 1700cc afterwards. One of those kits is good for 180hp at 8,000 rpm, another one is good for 240hp at 10,000 rpm! If I'm remembering those numbers correctly. The later would be impossible to drive on the street though. The former wouldn't be that easy either.
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#622756 - 11/06/09 11:37 AM
Re: More Morgans - new project
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Got any photos of it with the bonnet attached? next spring -- after paint, powder coat, chrome, and upholstery..... Just as it is would be fine by me.
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#622894 - 11/06/09 04:23 PM
Re: More Morgans - new project
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Jedi Knight
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The Kent name was used to cover a whole range of pushrod OHV Ford engines that came along in 1959, and were made in 1000, 1200, 1300, 1340, 1500, 1600 sizes that I can remember, and maybe more!
The first versions were 3-bearing for the Anglia and Classic, then the 5-bearing engine came along and finally the crossflow.
Lotus engines were built on an overbored pre-crossflow 1500, and the water pump arrangement was part of the original design.
The engine was specifically designed for the Elan, and I don't believe any Elans had any other engine fitted. I also believe that there were very few 1500 Lotus TCs and they never got into production cars.
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#623024 - 11/07/09 07:56 AM
Re: More Morgans - new project
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The Kent name was used to cover a whole range of pushrod OHV Ford engines that came along in 1959, and were made in 1000, 1200, 1300, 1340, 1500, 1600 sizes that I can remember, and maybe more!
The first versions were 3-bearing for the Anglia and Classic, then the 5-bearing engine came along and finally the crossflow.
Lotus engines were built on an overbored pre-crossflow 1500, and the water pump arrangement was part of the original design.
The engine was specifically designed for the Elan, and I don't believe any Elans had any other engine fitted. I also believe that there were very few 1500 Lotus TCs and they never got into production cars.
JAP was involved in the "early" T/C head work, the first 22 Elans received the 1500cc version. International homologation rules changed in late '62, early '63 and the "1600" (1558) was then put in 'em. All were 116E Cortina blocks, "hand picked" for boring oversize to the 1558. And I was mistaken about Costin & Duckworth: Harry Mundy did the early design work. Info source is John Bolster's book.
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#623105 - 11/07/09 04:43 PM
Re: More Morgans - new project
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Jedi Knight
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Well, Doc, I use the Twin Cam "bible" - Miles Wilkins "Lotus Twin Cam Engine". I'd have thought with your Elans you'd use that too. If you can get a copy, it's worth reading.
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#624132 - 11/11/09 08:51 PM
Re: More Morgans - new project
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At just under 140 the Elan is a handful. With any more the rest of the driveline REQUIRES many cubic dollars' worth of upgrades. Would imagine that Moggie ash chassis would *splinter* without some re-enforcement with a 180 HP twink shoe-horn'd in it.  Surprisingly not. Pretty sure the +8+ conversion (corvette powered +8) uses a stock chassis and ash frame..... And the +8 crowd has been fettling with those Rover 4.0 & 4.6's to get 400+ BHP. IMHO, faster than timber was meant to travel.
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