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#602042 - 08/20/09 09:50 PM
Re: Brit Steamer
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Yoda
Registered: 11/15/04
Posts: 4912
Loc: Long Branch, Ontario
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I guess all LBC's smoke some eh?
seriously, cool!
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#602699 - 08/24/09 09:21 AM
Re: Brit Steamer
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Registered: 09/15/05
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 Nice, John. Somehow runnin' a land speed record on steam seems to me to be shootin' ducks in a barrel... I mean, WHO since the Stanley has even built a steam power'd car? I'm just sayin' I think they "over tech'd" this a wee bit. Three TONS?!?! A steam engine is like a D.C. motor: it will rev 'til it grenades itself (or runs out of 'fuel'). I'd be for approaching it as a Chapman devotee: LIGHTER is better... biggest 'expense' is the water weight. Can't see a steam turbine as efficient use of all that available energy to spin tires. I'd be for a Sterling type solution rather than thrust propulsion. This is just a gut reaction, never approached steam as a viable automotive power source. Good "target" tho: a 1906 speed record.
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#602755 - 08/24/09 01:34 PM
Re: Brit Steamer
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Yoda
Registered: 11/15/04
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 Nice, John. Somehow runnin' a land speed record on steam seems to me to be shootin' ducks in a barrel... I mean, WHO since the Stanley has even built a steam power'd car? This is just a gut reaction, never approached steam as a viable automotive power source. Good "target" tho: a 1906 speed record. or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steam_aircraft
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#626210 - 11/20/09 10:22 AM
Re: Brit Steamer
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Registered: 05/15/08
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Loc: New Mexico
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Wouldn't it be great if the old one could be found, reconditioned, and then outrun the new one? I'd go see that race.....
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#626224 - 11/20/09 11:20 AM
Re: Brit Steamer
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Yoda
Registered: 11/15/04
Posts: 4912
Loc: Long Branch, Ontario
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Wouldn't it be great if the old one could be found, reconditioned, and then outrun the new one? doesn't exist - as this article states - but, explains the shape (and maybe why the builder could have gone on to build Morgans if you catch my drift  ) http://www.steamcar.net/stanley/fastest.pdfInterestingly, if you view the video here, and compare it to the pickup truck, it doesn't seem so big as when it stands alone http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/hampshire/8209288.stm
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#626255 - 11/20/09 02:21 PM
Re: Brit Steamer
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Obi Wan
Registered: 05/10/07
Posts: 2360
Loc: Chicago, IL
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The 2009 vehicle physically went faster but let's look at the bigger picture:
The 1906 vehicle’s construction: *The body was 16 feet long and 3 feet wide at the widest part. *The total weight of the machine was 1,675 pounds. *1 boiler producing 30 horsepower. Every step was taken to avoid unnecessary additional weight. It was a Spartan craft, completely devoid of safety equipment, except a pair of inadequate brakes. Record speed: 127.66 Mph
The 2009 vehicle's construction: *25-foot-long *three-tonne (6,000lbs) *It is fitted with 12 boilers (horsepower unknown) containing nearly two miles of tubing. It is made from a mixture of lightweight carbon-fibre composite and aluminium wrapped around a steel space frame chassis. Record speed: 139.84 Mph
The Stanleys recognized a fundamental engineering principle called the power-to-weight ratio. Heavy vehicles require big, heavy engines, which make the vehicles heavier still, requiring still more power. The Stanley Brothers reasoned that a lightweight vehicle with a lightweight engine should be able to accelerate faster and achieve greater speed despite having less total horsepower. The Stanleys’ insight into the importance of the power-to-weight ratio and aerodynamics paid off well.
The two vehicles aren't even close:
The 2009 vehicle is 56% longer, 258% heavier, has 1100% more boilers and is exponentially more expensive to go 9.5% faster.
I say the Stanley's record is the better one.
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