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#587781 - 06/25/09 08:06 AM
had to ask...best oil?
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Luke Skywalker
Registered: 12/08/06
Posts: 1714
Loc: Hudsonville, Michigan, USA
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Time for an oil change. I've been running Castrol GTX 20w50. I know how oil debates can get, sorry. Is there something better, with more ZDP or whatever our old engines like? I searched a bit but nothing "definitive" jumped out at me.
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#587789 - 06/25/09 08:29 AM
Re: had to ask...best oil?
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Jedi Knight
Registered: 02/04/05
Posts: 1007
Loc: Macedonia, OH
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If the ZDDP is what you're worried about, Castrol Syntec 20W-50 claims to be up to the job. Moss also carries some collector car oil that has it, but both of those are on the expensive side. I use Valvoline VR-1 racing oil, which is readily available, costs less than the Syntec, and has good ZDDP levels. It's fine for street use too. Good detergent additives too, it actually cleaned up some sludge that was around the rockers.
Maybe Hap will chime in with his wisdom, but as I recall the ZDDP issue was more of an issue for newly rebuilt engines, whereas engines that are already well broken in aren't really in trouble using garden variety 20W-50. Still, I'll stick to the Valvoline or Syntec, or get an additive that has ZDDP in it.
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#587802 - 06/25/09 09:09 AM
Re: had to ask...best oil?
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Yoda
Registered: 11/15/04
Posts: 4821
Loc: Long Branch, Ontario
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I use 4 stroke motorcycle oil - inexpensive and available
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#587810 - 06/25/09 09:37 AM
Re: had to ask...best oil?
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Luke Skywalker
Registered: 12/08/06
Posts: 1714
Loc: Hudsonville, Michigan, USA
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Just got back from parts run and picked up the VR1 Valvoline as referenced in other threads. I sure don't want very expensive oil, as too much ends up on the ground!
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#587830 - 06/25/09 10:25 AM
Re: had to ask...best oil?
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Jedi Trainee
Registered: 06/18/07
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Loc: Oregon
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#587837 - 06/25/09 10:47 AM
Re: had to ask...best oil?
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Yoda
Registered: 03/06/07
Posts: 3049
Loc: Snoqualmie, WA USA
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If all you want in it is ZDDP a big jug of diesel engine oil will do the trick. Tractor oil, that kind of thing.
I also like the VR-1.
My Sprite is generously marking its territory too, I think the inspection cover gaskets need some attention as they tend to dry out when a car sits for years.
In the end it's best to change the oil regularly and often IMHO.
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#587918 - 06/25/09 02:19 PM
Re: had to ask...best oil?
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Yoda
Registered: 11/15/04
Posts: 4821
Loc: Long Branch, Ontario
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My Sprite is generously marking its territory too,
In the end it's best to change the oil regularly and often IMHO.
So, what you're saying is pour it in the top and run it out the bottom? I must be doing it right then 
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#587922 - 06/25/09 02:28 PM
Re: had to ask...best oil?
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Luke Skywalker
Registered: 12/08/06
Posts: 1714
Loc: Hudsonville, Michigan, USA
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Yes, constant loss system, no need for oil change that way, very forward thinking of them, also cuts down the dust on the road.
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#587925 - 06/25/09 02:44 PM
Re: had to ask...best oil?
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Yoda
Registered: 03/06/07
Posts: 3049
Loc: Snoqualmie, WA USA
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Watching one of the British TV car shows the other night they had a segment on the Abingdon Car Show.
In it was a very early MG that had built in a 1 gallon oil reserve tank. You poured oil in at the top on the engine side of the firewall and then to apply oil to the engine you turned a valve in the cockpit.
Ingenious Engineering on their part! Wish my car had that!!
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#619458 - 10/26/09 01:54 PM
Re: had to ask...best oil?
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Obi Wan
Registered: 06/12/02
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Loc: Greenville, SC
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I use Vavoline VR1, it's fairly cheap, easy to find, I've used in my race cars for 20+ years, it a-ok for street use and it has 1200 ppm ZDDP. Alot of folks including myself, don't think you need ZDDP counts of 1200ppm (all oil has some, the goverment just reduced it in most oils to a lower count) for nothing more than cam break in on new engine, but I still use VR1, because I always used VR1. The bigger issue in my opinion, is getting lifter and camshaft that are properly hardened, they's alot of sub par stuff being sold to us in this regard, and you better believe ZDDP will be a scapegoat for this in the future, I already seen one engine builder blamme oil and zddp for a turned bearing, sorry I ain't buying that.
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#619878 - 10/27/09 07:29 PM
Re: had to ask...best oil?
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Jedi Warrior
Registered: 06/14/08
Posts: 447
Loc: guilford, ct
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I remember when we had gravel ally ways between the rows of houses in our town. It was considered being a good neighbor to dump the waste oil when changing oil on the gravel to keep down the dust. Of course that was 50+ years ago. come on, really?
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#619949 - 10/27/09 10:37 PM
Re: had to ask...best oil?
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Jedi Knight
Registered: 04/13/08
Posts: 1447
Loc: MS
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Dad used to poor it along the base of the slab for termites and in the ditch in front of the house. When it rained, there was an oil slick two blocks long down the ditch. He did it to keep the grass in the ditch down. The neighbor directly next door would get so mad. He hasn't done it in 20 years or so. There is a snapping turtle that lives in the culvert under our driveway right where he poured it in. He's been there forever. He hasn't gotten any bigger, but he's still alive and doesn't have three heads.
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#619954 - 10/27/09 10:51 PM
Re: had to ask...best oil?
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Jedi Hopeful
Registered: 01/24/08
Posts: 146
Loc: Tennessee
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Waste oil on dirt roads? The original blacktop. I've been watching our new highway project outside my window for months. Gotta love the smell of hot tar.
Guess I should be watching out for weird looking turtles...
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