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#585514 - 06/16/09 02:06 PM Re: what is it? [Re: DrEntropy]
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Like I said a gotya, remove carefully.
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#585557 - 06/16/09 04:14 PM Re: what is it? [Re: 59frite]
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Registered: 04/28/09
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Loc: Everett, WA
Didn't Mad Max have one of these attached to his car?

Rich Ball
'76 Midget
Everett, Wa
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#585596 - 06/16/09 07:28 PM Re: what is it? [Re: GeeBee1]
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Originally Posted By: GeeBee1
Originally Posted By: DrEntropy
Power'd two Altec Lansing "Voice of the Theater" speakers back in th' day. Now just a remembrance item. wink


Doc:

You have killed me again, haven't heard that one in a while, we used to have a set of dem for "special" occasions, the Poolice were never far behind.

Pat


Ours too, Pat. Much trouble caused in our "yout" with various contemporary artists' issuances: Stones, Airplane (After Bathing at Baxter's " was a perennial fave), Buffalo Springfield...
you get th' picture. wink
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#585671 - 06/17/09 12:27 AM Re: what is it? [Re: RichBall]
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Registered: 11/15/04
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Originally Posted By: RichBall
Didn't Mad Max have one of these attached to his car?

Rich Ball
'76 Midget
Everett, Wa


maybe or it's for communicating with the mother ship
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#586101 - 06/18/09 03:32 PM Re: what is it? [Re: JPSmit]
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Hey guys, I did a search for diy vacuum car alarm the other day and found a site that was written by somebody that I thought might be able to identify the device. I sent a link to this what is it? thread to Ron, the author of Car Alarm Immobilizer and this was his reply to me:

The most sensible place to start - is with the words of the man who built the device. If the device is not disabled then - after a couple of minutes - the electrics are shut down.

I think Nelson is on the right track. I suspect that the glass tube contains some sort of thermal delay - like a thermostat with a built-in heater. When it reaches the right temperature - the thermostat's contacts will open and/or close.

The contacts may be switching the electrical supply directly. But I think it's more likely that they're controlling a relay. And the relay contacts are actually switching the power.

I can see two valve sockets - but I'm not certain what's in the second one. I've seen many different devices plugged into valve sockets - not just valves. They were a convenient way of mounting items - back in the days when there were no PCBs - and everything was attached to a metal chassis.

I think there may be a relay in the far socket. I can't see much of it. But what I can see - looks like a corroded aluminium case. I could be wrong though. Perhaps the two items are identical.

If that is the case you have to ask - "Why are there two? It could be for backup. At a time when components weren't as reliable as they are today - having a second backup device would make sense - especially to someone in the aviation industry.

Another possible reason is that a single device didn't provide a long enough delay. Using two - you could double the length of the delay. You have the initial delay - while the first device heats up. Then it delivers power to the second device. And when the second device heats up - it shuts down the power.

There aren't too many external components visible. There's a tan object below the second valve socket. It looks like a small capacitor - or thermistor. It may be connected to the switching contacts - to help reduce ware. I can only see three resistors. There's one with blue wires - on the left. And there are two more - mounted on pillars - below the board. There may be more under there.

The resistors are probably controlling the amount of current that flows through the heater / heaters. This may be necessary because the devices are not suitable for direct connection to the 12v supply. Or it could be that - by reducing the heater current - you can increases the delay. With a lower current - it would take them a bit longer to warm up.
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#586155 - 06/18/09 05:38 PM Re: what is it? [Re: theleisure]
59frite Offline
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Registered: 06/09/09
Posts: 25
Loc: seattle
hey thanks. i appreciate all the feedback. i bookmarked that webpage and will print it out for reference.

as a footnote, i talked to my bro about it and it seems pop did not make it himself but a friend of his (rod bean) gave it to him. some of you might remember he was a hotfootspridget racer back when it was called slolem (sp?) in the days before it became autocross. i guess many of the modifications to this car were made at his suggestion. -just a little trivia there-

thanks again
chris

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