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#506713 - 10/05/08 02:07 PM Re: Stuck Engine. Help!!! [Re: angelfj]
Brosky Offline

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Frank,

I forgot that the rear plate covers everything, so there is no chance of what I asked about happening with the plate in place.

That leaves the front end.
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#506717 - 10/05/08 02:47 PM Re: Stuck Engine. Help!!! [Re: Brosky]
angelfj Offline
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agreed. hopefully tomorrow we will know!!!
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#506718 - 10/05/08 02:51 PM Re: Stuck Engine. Help!!! [Re: angelfj]
DNK Offline
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Frank, I know what your problem is;
Your engine is in upside down devil

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#506781 - 10/05/08 05:57 PM Re: Stuck Engine. Help!!! [Re: DNK]
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Don: Is this better?
jester

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#506783 - 10/05/08 05:59 PM Re: Stuck Engine. Help!!! [Re: angelfj]
DNK Offline
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Phew, I feel better.
Dang. Thought I had the answer! laugh
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#506789 - 10/05/08 06:05 PM Re: Stuck Engine. Help!!! [Re: DNK]
Brosky Offline

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Yoda

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Frank,

Do you think that there is any chance that the timing chain tensioner could have come off and is jammed in the gears? Those cotter pins are really tiny, but there should be no way for the pin to fall out, unless it has broken somehow?
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#506790 - 10/05/08 06:12 PM Re: Stuck Engine. Help!!! [Re: Brosky]
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Originally Posted By: Brosky
Frank,

Do you think that there is any chance that the timing chain tensioner could have come off and is jammed in the gears? Those cotter pins are really tiny, but there should be no way for the pin to fall out, unless it has broken somehow?


We considered that but the material is so thin, we doubt that it could hold up to the torque we applied (300 - 400 lb-ft). Now a broken and bunched-up timing chain is another matter! eek
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#506797 - 10/05/08 06:39 PM Re: Stuck Engine. Help!!! [Re: angelfj]
Brosky Offline

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Well, if the chain broke, either the cam or crank will turn. It would be very odd that both are locked up at the same time, with a broken chain.

Notice on this old picture, how it would have to either jam the cam or the crank.

EDIT: The more I look at this the more I feel that I could be wrong. Given the right circumstances, there is enough chain to jam both.


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Edited by Brosky (10/05/08 06:41 PM)
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#506799 - 10/05/08 06:42 PM Re: Stuck Engine. Help!!! [Re: Brosky]
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According to your picture if the chain IS jammed none will turn,but you wouls think with the chain slop a little movement would be there.
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#506804 - 10/05/08 06:47 PM Re: Stuck Engine. Help!!! [Re: DNK]
Brosky Offline

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I can't wait to see that cover come off and what's hiding in there.
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#506866 - 10/05/08 08:52 PM Re: Stuck Engine. Help!!! [Re: Brosky]
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Good point, Paul. First order of business here would be that cover.
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#507010 - 10/06/08 11:26 AM Re: Stuck Engine. Help!!! [Re: DNK]
angelfj Offline
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Originally Posted By: DNK
but you would think with the chain slop a little movement would be there.


yes, but first we did have about 30 degrees of movement, but that decreased each time we tried to rotate the engine. Almost like something was getting further and further jammed - that's why we suspect the chain. We will know soon.
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TR3A TS58476LO The Grey Lady(currently being restored)
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#507015 - 10/06/08 11:30 AM Re: Stuck Engine. Help!!! [Re: DrEntropy]
angelfj Offline
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I wish the mechanic didn't have other things to do (that would earn some money).This sure is a pain in his pocket book. And has my schedule screwed! mad
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TR3A TS58476LO The Grey Lady(currently being restored)
TR250 CD1510LO
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#507019 - 10/06/08 11:33 AM Re: Stuck Engine. Help!!! [Re: Brosky]
angelfj Offline
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Luke Skywalker

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Originally Posted By: Brosky
I can't wait to see that cover come off and what's hiding in there.


I called the shop this morning. The film crew is setting up as I write this post. laugh
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TR3A TS58476LO The Grey Lady(currently being restored)
TR250 CD1510LO
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#507026 - 10/06/08 12:00 PM Re: Stuck Engine. Help!!! [Re: angelfj]
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Looks like Frank has discovered the Bold and the color button


Edited by DNK (10/06/08 12:00 PM)
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#507037 - 10/06/08 12:30 PM Re: Stuck Engine. Help!!! [Re: DNK]
angelfj Offline
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Originally Posted By: DNK
Looks like Frank has discovered the Bold and the color button


Yes. I did and my life will never be the same!


Edited by angelfj (10/06/08 12:30 PM)
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#507058 - 10/06/08 02:00 PM Re: Stuck Engine. Help!!! [Re: angelfj]
emmett1010 Offline
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Frank.
If the flywheel bolts are even slightly long they will penetrate into the aluminum rear seal housing.
PO did that, and I've changed to the rubber seal, and carefully measured bolt length with washers to avoid that problem.
Good luck,
Emmett

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#507135 - 10/06/08 06:57 PM Re: Stuck Engine. Help!!! [Re: emmett1010]
2wrench Offline

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I'm awaiting and watching with bated breath. Sorry to be looking on at
your expense, but I am baffled and quite interested to know what deep-seated
in-the-bowels of your engine issue could wrek such havoc.

Best of luck and I'm certainly sorry to hear....but anxious to know.
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#507141 - 10/06/08 07:05 PM Re: Stuck Engine. Help!!! [Re: 2wrench]
TR4nut Offline
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Registered: 01/01/06
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Loc: Katy, Texas
I was thinking Emmett's comment could be the culprit, but I still can't figure out why the car turned over completely initially. If the flywheel bolts were the problem I'd think you'd see aluminum shavings in the bellhousing.

Good luck Frank!

Randy
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#507142 - 10/06/08 07:11 PM Re: Stuck Engine. Help!!! [Re: TR4nut]
Brosky Offline

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The suspense is killing me............

Between this and Dale's problem, it's like flipping between two great TV shows.
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