And I quote from the Concourse Registry.

Fluid Leaks - No visible fluid leaks, or indications of fluid leaks, including oil leakes in engine, gearbox or rear axle, water from radiator cooling system, fluid from brake and clutch lines. or fuel from fuel lines or connections.


Wonder just how they expect that to happen and it is with the engine running of course.

What is the book you are quoting, Jack? Title, author, club affiliation?

Sounds like an oxymoron to me...most councours rules require that you drive onto the show field...now how do you do that with a dry engine, tranny, diff...???

Ray

PM Ray

I always thought Concours cars had to be perfectly original. In that case, every LBC should be required to leak like a stuck pig.

Jack - I want a copy of that publication...

My question is: does "concours" mean on the floor at the dealer's (ie: never run and no leaks) or after it has driven past the curb from the dealer's (ie: engine has started and is leaking)?
Bill

I my humble opinion Concours does not mean as delivered. It means everything perfect as can be done.

For example lots of our parts were painted by diping so had runs and such. No good for concours, should be polished, primed and a couple of coats of paint then something to make is shine for gloss.

Hehe, like Leos bits at the Loto.

Now, I see nothing wrong with that if you want musuem quality but for most of us it's just not our thing.

However, it is nice to have a reference for how it should be so you don't do something really stupid when the real thing even is easier.

My understanding of "concours" is that it is the "condidition in which the vehicle left the factory"! Normally, I would think a vehicle leaves the factory ready to be started and run, i.e. all fluids,etc.! Hopefully it would not be leaking at that point! (but with a LBC that may not neccessarily be true!)

If Concours is as it left the factory they would deduct points for over restorations ie paint, polish, etc.

I have seen restorers who have painstakingly made sure that the "correct" overspray on areas where that occured at the factory were reproduced faithfully, as well as grease-pencil notations (as on the back of Spridget dashes) are correct, sticker and labels as original, etc., etc., etc. in order to recreate that "as-left-the-factory" look!! Cars that are over-restored, while beautiful, are really more a tribute to the owner, not the car as originally produced!!

And besides, do you know how HARD it is to reproduce those factory paint runs?!?!

Also noted was that the stearing arms were red or yellow from the manufacture and diped in black at the assembly plant. They were held at the end with the guys fingers and some did not get all the red or yellow covered. In fact some were not painte on the end at all.

Another question answered.

And we all have heard the stories of Councours winners at Pebble Beach that had NO parts INSIDE the engine. Couldn't run if they HAD to. At least they've changed the rules there and the winner must start and run up to pick up the trophy. Leo's car, while beautiful and a tribute in its own right, was not councours, as he even went so far as to have all the philips head screws in the interior turned EXACTLY straight up and down! Factory workers just go for TIGHT. Unfortuantely, Councours has become synonymous for Over Restored. Thankfully, the value in our cars comes from DRIVING them, not looking at and inspecting them.. Who amoung us would rather DRIVE a stock 948, drum braked BE, with bias play tires and smooth case tranny, than a disk brake converted, breathed on 1275/1380, 5 speed with radials........

But as with anything else in the Automotive world, ...To each his own... do what makes YOU happy and to he^% with what anyone else says, wants or expects. IT YOUR CAR!

Jack - does it differentiate between the 2 factories? MG & Sprite? MG did things differently so those cars have a different concours standard (i.e., painting transmission)

This one is for Austin Healey Sprites.