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#476487 - 07/04/08 10:45 AM Re: Extra cooling idea [Re: regularman]
jlaird Offline
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Intresting Trevor, and I bet they cool different as well.
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AN5L 24515, Eng. 9C-U-H 16218, Apr. 1959
"Miss Agatha" On the road again and smiling.

We were there, Lake of the Ozarks, 2008!!


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#476648 - 07/04/08 05:10 PM Re: Extra cooling idea [Re: jlaird]
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OK, did not work on this today. My kitty cat of 15 years and friend through thick and thin took a bad turn for the worse and we had to make the hard decision and have her put down today. Spent the afternoon making a wooden box and digging a hole in some dry ground as it has been drought here. We do get attached to those little critters. Not a good day for me. Tony and jack, I hear what you are saying and I know ya'll are right. I am just trying to get by till I can get it fixed right. Its been forever on this car and I just need a little extra cooling to keep it going.
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#476650 - 07/04/08 05:12 PM Re: Extra cooling idea [Re: regularman]
jlaird Offline
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Sorry about your loss. It's tough, no question about it.

Do what you need to do Kim, your work is of excellent quality and it is fun to follow your efforts.
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Retired USAF


AN5L 24515, Eng. 9C-U-H 16218, Apr. 1959
"Miss Agatha" On the road again and smiling.

We were there, Lake of the Ozarks, 2008!!


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#476747 - 07/05/08 06:18 AM Re: Extra cooling idea [Re: regularman]
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Down here in Johannesburg

On the Spridget tour I was constantly concerned with overheating, watching the gauge is not conducive to relaxed driving. Anyway the water pump packed up and I was trailered for about 100 miles. Next day a new water pump and I noticed the diameter of the pulley was significantly larger than the old pump's pulley. The rest of the trip was amazing the temp gauge must have dropped by half. As opposed to just under the H mark, it never approached the N mark. The smaller pulley rotates too fast so it either churns the water or pumps it too quickly through the radiator. The larger pulley turns less giving the water time to cool through the radiator.

So out with your radiator back flush every and anything and make sure your water pump is the larger diameter kind, about 5 inches as opposed to about 4 inches.
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#476761 - 07/05/08 08:03 AM Re: Extra cooling idea [Re: regularman]
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what about the radiator cap. If its not sealing boiling temp is going to come on you pretty quick.maybe your not running pressurized? could be the wrong lenght spring under the cap and your sealing on the secondary ring.
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#476799 - 07/05/08 10:04 AM Re: Extra cooling idea [Re: texas_bugeye]
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Kim - if its a temporary thing to get through the driving season & it doesn't become a permanent bandaid - its your car, go for it!

But, during the winter - were it my car - I'd go through the entire cooling system & refresh everything....the little car should keep itself cool regardless of the outside temperature - just like it was designed!
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#476813 - 07/05/08 10:21 AM Re: Extra cooling idea [Re: tony barnhill]
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Yeah, that is the plan Tony. I just know it will take a while and I will go through everything this winter. Does anyone know what degree thermostat was supposed to be in there original? I can't recal what was in mine or if I tested it in a pot on the stove. Could be that it is not opening enough. What really gets me is that how the temperature starts out fine on the highway and then slowly creeps up. You would think there would be plenty of airflow going down the highway even with no fan at all. I could see it heating up at an idle after a hard run when all that heat catches up and the fan is not going that fast and the car is not moving. I will get to the bottom of this one. Meanwhile will try the temp fix because it seems like cutting the heater on helps a lot but I don't want my feet to cook. Also, would appreciate any more info on the waterpump size thing. Are there different size impeller pumps through the years??
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#476815 - 07/05/08 10:23 AM Re: Extra cooling idea [Re: regularman]
jlaird Offline
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180 Degrees is optiomal.
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AN5L 24515, Eng. 9C-U-H 16218, Apr. 1959
"Miss Agatha" On the road again and smiling.

We were there, Lake of the Ozarks, 2008!!


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#476850 - 07/05/08 11:19 AM Re: Extra cooling idea [Re: regularman]
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Loc: Brighton, UK
1) I'm not convinced that you'll get enough airflow down there to make a lot of difference.

2) I wouldn't want a rad down there where it could get hit by stones thrown up from the wheels and therefore let all the water go - that would make it overheat!

I think that I would start with
- make sure as much air as poss goes through the radiator - fill any gaps at the sides or above with ali sheet for instance.
- is it a 2 or 4 blade fan? - if 2 make it 4 or take it off and put an electric fan in
- put water wetter in the cooling system
-put an air scoop to pick up air from under the 'chin' of the bonnet - i know this has been done sucesfully with middle sized Healeys (3000s etc) and they do suffer form overheating!

As a longer term thing look at a bigger capacity and/or ali radiator.

John
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#476885 - 07/05/08 01:04 PM Re: Extra cooling idea [Re: john_j]
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As I recall there is a difference in water pumps and impeller sizes / wear in the vanes could also be an issue. Pumping rusty / chunky water through a water pump, as done by a P.O. could definitely weat out the vanes. Hey try changing out hte waterpump first and foremost. That and flush the radiator. Spridgets don't necessarily always overheat. Usually some external condition / wear causes the issue. You might not have the correct water pump for your engine or it could be worn. Try simple stuff first before reengineering
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#476888 - 07/05/08 01:29 PM Re: Extra cooling idea [Re: Jim_Gruber]
jlaird Offline
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Down here with 95 or so heat and lots of humidity Miss Agatha has never gone over 180 and that includes the Loto as well come to think of it.

Just goes to show what clean inards will do for you.
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Jack Laird
Retired USAF


AN5L 24515, Eng. 9C-U-H 16218, Apr. 1959
"Miss Agatha" On the road again and smiling.

We were there, Lake of the Ozarks, 2008!!


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#477432 - 07/07/08 10:53 AM Re: Extra cooling idea [Re: jlaird]
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Registered: 02/17/04
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I put a brand new pump on it when I rebuild the motor. I never realized there was a difference in them. Does anyone have any info on this deal about too much circulation and running hot? I know that my pully is not stock the stock pulley was plastic and broke years ago and I am not sure if the replacement is the same size. I kept on with the project. The heater core I am using is out of a subaru (because I have one laying around) and I also used the heater control valve out of the subaru, so I can cut this extra cooling off or on or shut off if I should develope a leak down there. I bought the copper line and have them bent and installed and the valve too. Started making a frame for the heater core and ran out of energy yesterday. Hopefully get it put in this evening and then Tuesday hook up all the heater hose Tees and test it out. I think it will help. I have had sevral cars the would overheat and cutting the heater on would act as an extra radiator and help cool it back down. This core is totally open so there should be plenty of air flow under there at speed, more than the heater fan I hope, plus 8 feet of copper line through the tunnel which should have air flowing through it as well.
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#477641 - 07/07/08 08:44 PM Re: Extra cooling idea [Re: regularman]
regularman Offline
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Everything installed underneath. Had to make a few parts and took some time. Got to hook hoses up tomorrow under the hood and test it out. Hopefully this with help at least till fall when I take it off the road and put my Sportage back on the insurance. Then in the winter I will work on it. Already got an electric fan coming that I bought off of Ebay. Will probably install that one right away as time allows.
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#477674 - 07/07/08 09:49 PM Re: Extra cooling idea [Re: regularman]
tony barnhill Offline
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So, how long has it taken to put htis modification under the car - in lost driving hours?
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#477727 - 07/08/08 06:15 AM Re: Extra cooling idea [Re: tony barnhill]
regularman Offline
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Registered: 02/17/04
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Loc: Asheville, North Carolina
Originally Posted By: tony barnhill
So, how long has it taken to put htis modification under the car - in lost driving hours?
I don't know Tony, I still go the top down on the car in the basement/garage and its poured the rain the last couple evenings so I might not have driven it anyways. It might all be a big waste but its experimentation and interesting to me.
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