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#476867 - 07/05/08 12:12 PM
Re: Todays funny
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Loc: Niceville FL
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Agree Bill, but it is neat to read how they came and know what is right and what is PDO.
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AN5L 24515, Eng. 9C-U-H 16218, Apr. 1959 "Miss Agatha" On the road again and smiling.
We were there, Lake of the Ozarks, 2008!!
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#476878 - 07/05/08 12:46 PM
Re: Todays funny
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Registered: 11/13/05
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Loc: Niceville FL
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Aye
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Jack Laird Retired USAF
AN5L 24515, Eng. 9C-U-H 16218, Apr. 1959 "Miss Agatha" On the road again and smiling.
We were there, Lake of the Ozarks, 2008!!
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#476886 - 07/05/08 01:06 PM
Re: Todays funny
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Registered: 11/16/07
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Loc: North Texas
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I'm sorry I like my pertronix dizzy and the alternator my disk brakes my 5 speed the carpet, radial's tires ,DOT 3# fluid, rear oil, seal front oil seal, harmonic balancer, seat belts, front sway bar. Sure I can respect and appereate a concourse car but its not for me. I like jumping in and just going. This morning hopped in and had coffee with a bunch of other car nuts at a local resturant like we do every Saturday morning.Sort a mini show bring what you drive. Rolls Ferrarri TVR MG TC Muscle cars you name it.Never know what may showup. Last Night We jumped in and Grabed a coke at Sonic drove over to a side road pulled of an approch in to the grass and enjoyed the 4th july fireworks. If I had a concourse just that manuver would be a weeks worth of show prep. Geez I would probley scraped off an Unabtaneum sticker!Or scratch a lower A arm on a blade of grass completyly ruining the show season.! On the other hand I wiped off all the visible oil leaks... 
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#476932 - 07/05/08 04:25 PM
Re: Todays funny
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Jedi Warrior
Registered: 05/24/05
Posts: 670
Loc: GA, USA
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If Concours is as it left the factory they would deduct points for over restorations ie paint, polish, etc. It depends on the judges and what guidelines they use, but YES, I have seen deductions for "over restorations". I lost points for a stainless exhaust...didn't come that way from the factory. With American muscle and especially Corvettes (NCRS) you will definitely lose points if there is not overspray where there should be and for clear coat where inappropriate.. There are exceptions to the "factory" specification, at least there was at the NAMGBR Concours at MG2006. In particular, there are allowances for "dealer options" such as ash trays, consoles, mirrors (externals were dealer installed), and even wheels and tires...IF they are period correct and available through the dealer network. I participated in only one Coucours event but learned a lot. There were some items that I knew I would take pointc deductions on, such as the Rivergate 5-speed conversion. Though the shift knob, lever, and boot were all stock, they docked me on under-bonnet points for the billet adapter plate and bell housing. I found out during the evaluation and later on the scoring form that I had repro clear back-up lenses; I didn't know that previously. A couple weeks later a NOS pair showed up on Ebay with the appropriate "Lucas" lettering and patent number; they are now on my car...not because I intend to do another concours, but because it was an easy change back to stock without loss of function. I certainly wouldn't change out the 5-speed just for the sake of points, though some might. Ray
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#476935 - 07/05/08 04:39 PM
Re: Todays funny
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Jedi Warrior
Registered: 05/24/05
Posts: 670
Loc: GA, USA
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Jack - does it differentiate between the 2 factories? MG & Sprite? MG did things differently so those cars have a different concours standard (i.e., painting transmission) I believe they came off the same Abingdon line, therefore fit and finish should be comparable with only trim options a variable. Other than the obvious things, like the chrome side/bonnet trim, and the badges, the only major difference I've noted has been in the markings on the backside of the dash indicating Sprite/Midget and whether it was an export car (different gauges, steering position, etc.). Ray NOTE: the following was taken from my '62 Sprite; notice the notation 'Sprite' marked on the radio knockout and the color 'Red'. There are other markings for gauges, etc. 
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