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#468317 - 06/13/08 03:41 PM Re: Oil pressure relief valve? [Re: John Morralee]
Dave Russell Offline
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Registered: 08/02/02
Posts: 5496
Loc: ID
Originally Posted By: John Morralee
I am left somewhat confused what the 'ideal'pressure should be at different RPM's. It seems possible to me to add incorrect spring lengths and/or washers, over-pressure and blow a seal or too.

As with any experimenting, it's necessary to approach the objective gradually & pay attention to what is happening.

In a properly working Healey engine I would look for 60 psi cold & at around 3,ooo rpm. If everything is in good condition I would expect 50 to 60 psi hot at 3,000 rpm. Likewise, 20 to 40 psi at hot idle. The difference in idle rpm between 500 rpm & 1,500 rpm can make a very large difference in oil pressure.

Old, worn engines seem to survive with considerably less than these pressures.
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#468425 - 06/13/08 09:18 PM Re: Oil pressure relief valve? [Re: Dave Russell]
Patrick67BJ8 Offline
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Registered: 05/22/07
Posts: 192
Loc: Dallas, Texas
Originally Posted By: Dave Russell
Sounds like a plan. 20 psi hot idle might be ok, but not when the oil is at cold idle. Not sure what you or he meant.

As I mentioned earlier, a shim of 0.160" did not improve the seating but a shim of 0.340" did the trick. The relief valve will not work if the shim is any longer than 0.360". This prolonged cranking to test for oil pressure is doing harm to the cam & lifters.

I fear that the original cam assembly lube has been mostly wiped off by now with all of the cranking. I would fill it with 20W-50 oil & add a large dose of ZDDP. On this side of the pond "GM EOS" or "ZDDPlus" is available. Find something! I would be willing to send you a bottle of ZDDPlus if necessary. I was never comfortable with the "breakin" oil that you were using.

When you first start the engine, hold it at around 2,000 rpm for at least 20 minutes CONTINUOUSLY to get proper cam & lifter breakin. 30 minutes would be better.

This means that all systems have to be ready to go, no shutdowns for leaks or other problems. Have the timing properly set before starting up. If the engine gets too hot during this period, & it well may, put a garden hose in the radiator filler, open the block drain valve, & use this as supplemental cooling.

With luck, the cam & lifters will not have been scuffed yet, you will get a good breakin, & everything will be fine.

I wish you the best my friend.

Regards,
Dave


Dave,
I saw an advertisement for an adjustable valve. Have you ever come acroos one? I remember when I first bought an MGB there was a large book that was available and for performance it was suggested to increase the oil pressure via the relief valve. Maybe I saw an add for an MG piece of equipment??
Patrick

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#468439 - 06/13/08 10:14 PM Re: Oil pressure relief valve? [Re: Patrick67BJ8]
Dave Russell Offline
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Yoda

Registered: 08/02/02
Posts: 5496
Loc: ID
I'm not much of a fan of adjustable valves. I know that some MGs have them. Seems like they are always being tinkered with whether they need it or not. It's far too easy to get the pressure too high which also creates problems. Mainly severe pump drive wear, cam & cam drive, & more oil leaks. I prefer to stay stock if at all possible. In certain select cases such as the release valve's failure to completely seat, tinkering may help.

Better to correct the seating, but it's very hard to do with the engine together & in the car.
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