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#457304 - 05/14/08 08:52 AM
'63 Midget research
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Registered: 12/08/06
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Loc: Hudsonville, Michigan, USA
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Hi all. I'm considering the purchase of a '63 Midget. trying to do some research. I think this was the first year of the 1098 and that that isn't the strongest motor? I'd love to see some pictures of '63s to compare to this one too. I'd like some idea of how stock she still is. Interior looks "different" to me. Doesn't have the chrome stip across the "bonnet" (hood). I owned a '75 for a while and recently lost my Crashed Opel '70 Opel GT to a bad driver. So, need a new toy. I realize this is a whole different experience, sunny afternoon country side cruises is about all I plan for it. No more exposing my precious babies to morons. Thanks in advance for advice. Jeff
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#457306 - 05/14/08 08:58 AM
Re: '63 Midget research
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Registered: 03/06/03
Posts: 5976
Loc: Clarksville, Tennessee
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Hi, Jeff - welcome to the Forum!
Sorry about your Opel - I've always like them, and yours looked like a nice one.
While I don't have much experience with Spridget, there should be lots of help coming online shortly to answer your questions.
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#457307 - 05/14/08 09:04 AM
Re: '63 Midget research
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Jedi Warrior
Registered: 02/23/06
Posts: 516
Loc: Tennessee
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Midgets had 948cc engines until October 1962. So it depends on whether the car in question is a true 1963 or a mid to late 1962 registered as a 1963. Do you have photos, VIN number, etc. for the car you're considering? The MK I Midget did have the chrome moulding strip across the bonnet. It also had a vertical-slat grille
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#457346 - 05/14/08 11:08 AM
Re: '63 Midget research
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Registered: 12/08/06
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Loc: Hudsonville, Michigan, USA
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I have some photos, not of engine bay though. Have since learned she has been "customized" a bit. Wood dash, Sprite wheel, different carb (probably a Weber?). I'm not such a purist that these things bother me. Anything that improves appearance, drivability, safety and such, is fine as long as it was done well. Photos
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#457362 - 05/14/08 11:37 AM
Re: '63 Midget research
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Jedi Warrior
Registered: 02/23/06
Posts: 516
Loc: Tennessee
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Looks very nice. Dash would be easy to change back if you chose to. Wire wheels were an option on both Sprite and Midgets. Looks as if you have and exhust upgrade, probably a Monza free flow system.
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#457446 - 05/14/08 03:43 PM
Re: '63 Midget research
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Jedi Knight
Registered: 02/14/06
Posts: 1381
Loc: NW Arkansas, USA
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nice,....love my monza exhaust.........z
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#457457 - 05/14/08 04:10 PM
Re: '63 Midget research
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Obi Wan
Registered: 02/17/04
Posts: 2395
Loc: Asheville, North Carolina
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nice,....love my monza exhaust.........z That is what I got too. I am still thinking of a custom cut out style on in the future. A straight pipe A series sounds dang good.
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#457630 - 05/15/08 05:10 AM
Re: '63 Midget research
[Re: Whitephrog]
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Yoda
Registered: 06/04/03
Posts: 9330
Loc: Highland, Michigan
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Midgets had 948cc engines until October 1962. So it depends on whether the car in question is a true 1963 or a mid to late 1962 registered as a 1963. And, if it were a '62 titled as a '63, it should have drum brakes on all four corners. I put a ton of miles on the original 1098 in my '63, and never had any major problems. For a normal cruiser, the 10CG version is just fine. Jeff
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#457893 - 05/15/08 03:48 PM
Re: '63 Midget research
[Re: jvandyke]
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Loc: Hudsonville, Michigan, USA
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I spent some time poking around but didn't see a definitive answer. Wondering if all '63 Midgets had the chrome "door" molding AND the bonnet molding when new? I'm already thinking of ways to dress it up a bit and I don't own it yet! I don't really like the door molding but the sill molding looks good and the "Midget" sill emblem also looks nice (I know, neither would be correct on a '63). Maybe bullet style wing mirrors? Nice flame paint job......I'M KIDDING.
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#458065 - 05/16/08 05:09 AM
Re: '63 Midget research
[Re: jvandyke]
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Loc: Highland, Michigan
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Side and bonnet moldings were all original for '63. I took mine off and changed to a Sprite grille.(Much cheaper than a slat type.) Jeff
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#458185 - 05/16/08 11:34 AM
Re: '63 Midget research
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Registered: 11/16/02
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Loc: Gurley, Alabama, USA
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Side and bonnet moldings were all original for '63. I took mine off and changed to a Sprite grille.(Much cheaper than a slat type.) Jeff You're correct about the 'cheaper' statement that's for sure...holy cow!! Even with my discounts that thing costs more than the rechroming of both my bumpers!
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#458191 - 05/16/08 11:52 AM
Re: '63 Midget research
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heheheh... real big picture: http://www.bastedo.net/midget/grill_slattedfrnt.jpg Have you seen how much people charge for the plinth alone? I've also got 4 of these bought from some outfit in England: 
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#458755 - 05/18/08 10:17 AM
Re: '63 Midget research
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Jedi Trainee
Registered: 12/08/06
Posts: 352
Loc: Hudsonville, Michigan, USA
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More questions: At what point did the gearboxes get synchros for first? Which year did they transition to negative earth? Will likely wish to add seatbelts as those recently proved valuable in keeping me alive. Will eventually need help there no doubt. Still no word on the current powerplant/tranny. I'm secretly hoping she's got a 1275 but I'll take whatever's there! Memorial Day I'll go see it and hopefully return with it. Thanks again! Jeff
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#458765 - 05/18/08 10:57 AM
Re: '63 Midget research
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Yoda
Registered: 11/02/03
Posts: 4652
Loc: Louisville KY
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Sycro's where not on first gear until they switched to the spitfire drive train in '75. Non syncro 1st is no big deal. You only need first when you come to a dead stop.
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#460122 - 05/22/08 03:55 PM
Re: '63 Midget research
[Re: Trevor Jessie]
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Jedi Trainee
Registered: 12/08/06
Posts: 352
Loc: Hudsonville, Michigan, USA
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VIN is GAN2L19251, not sure what's up with the L. Puts it at a fairly early '63 I guess, 3076th of the 9108 '63s. Still a bit hung up on the "drivability" of a car with no roll up windows, no attached top and no locks. Not sure how big a deal those will be to me.
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#460125 - 05/22/08 04:06 PM
Re: '63 Midget research
[Re: jvandyke]
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Registered: 11/02/03
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Loc: Louisville KY
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They look cool. Forget about practicality!
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#460142 - 05/22/08 05:03 PM
Re: '63 Midget research
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Jedi Knight
Registered: 02/14/06
Posts: 1381
Loc: NW Arkansas, USA
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Still a bit hung up on the "drivability" of a car with no roll up windows, no attached top and no locks. Not sure how big a deal those will be to me.
think of it as a motorcycle u can sit in  .....z
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#460151 - 05/22/08 05:48 PM
Re: '63 Midget research
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Jedi Trainee
Registered: 12/08/06
Posts: 352
Loc: Hudsonville, Michigan, USA
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Good advice of course. I was thinking of relative practicality vs. a MKII. They do look cool with no top at all and stripped of the door handles, quarter windows, head rests......feeling better already.
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#460161 - 05/22/08 06:18 PM
Re: '63 Midget research
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Jedi Warrior
Registered: 06/27/07
Posts: 509
Loc: Nebraska, USA
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Jeff, the 10CC or 10CG are the first digits of numbers that should be on the engine, but I don't remember where.
Two things to note, I and a freind who has more experience with Spridgets than I were talking about the early 1098s, we had both heard the rumor that they are weak in the crank/main bearing department, but we have never had or directly known of one that has failed--if you want to drive it moderately it should be fine, if you want to go fast you should put a 1275cc engine in it any way.
Second, lots and lots of these cars have had engine swaps, when they were used cars people ran them on the cheap and tended to pick up used parts to bolt on when things went wrong, because there were usually plenty around in various states of disrepair to cannabalize.
So determining the exact year won't necessarily determine what motor you have. As mentioned, best is the check the engine serial number, someone here should be able to tell you where it is.
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#460183 - 05/22/08 08:10 PM
Re: '63 Midget research
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Yoda
Registered: 03/11/05
Posts: 4323
Loc: Utah, USA
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VIN is GAN2L19251, not sure what's up with the L. The "L" is for Left hand drive. I prefer the side screen cars -- a bit more room in the cockpit, and the lack of outside door handles just looks cool. Door locks don't mean much on a convertible anyway, since someone can just cut the top (or take the top off) to get in.
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#460249 - 05/23/08 12:38 AM
Re: '63 Midget research
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Yoda
Registered: 11/15/03
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Loc: S.E. Fla.
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The engine # can be found on a plate on the right hand side of the block up near the generator/alternator. To newbies contemplating getting into Spridgets, I would suggest calling Victoria British and/or Moss Motors and requesting one of their catalogues (free!). They are really quite helpful in both getting to know what goes into these cars and in addition contain much helpful info on locating/deciphering ID # and the like!!! 
Edited by bugimike (05/23/08 12:39 AM)
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#460259 - 05/23/08 05:50 AM
Re: '63 Midget research
[Re: bugimike]
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Jedi Trainee
Registered: 12/08/06
Posts: 352
Loc: Hudsonville, Michigan, USA
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Just got a Moss catalog yesterday, as well as two book from the library on MG history. Nice legacy.
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#460704 - 05/24/08 04:36 PM
Re: '63 Midget research
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Jedi Trainee
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Loc: Hudsonville, Michigan, USA
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Sounds good. I rode motorcycles for 17 years or so before the Opel GT and now......well, something. Hoping it's a nice one. I got insurance on it and money in hand so if it's decent, I'm driving it home. Will know in 36 hours.
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#461223 - 05/26/08 03:41 PM
Re: '63 Midget research
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Loc: Hudsonville, Michigan, USA
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I bought it. Still not convinced I should have. I had the wife and boys along and they loved it. I liked it. Drove it around his neighborhood several times, all seemed well. Bought it. Took off, got about 15 miles away and 4th gear disappeared. It popped out, I put it back, it popped out, I put it back, it popped out I tried to hold it in but there was nothing there. Weird no? Or is that how it "goes"? I got off the highway and drove it the rest of the 70 or so miles in third. Now it goes down the road great. Not sure I like the "custom" dash. Lights didn't work (running/brake). Blinkers operate off on interior lever, not on the stalk. Electric fuel pump. Top is decent. Tonnoue is a bit torn at the corners. Anyway, I like it, just feeling a bit bummed by the transmission issues.
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#461253 - 05/26/08 04:59 PM
Re: '63 Midget research
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Registered: 11/02/03
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SOunds like the tranny is going to need some attention. Where did you say you are located? Someone might know of a good second hand tranny near you.
You might want to go ahead and source a dash and address your wiring issues at that point.
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#461334 - 05/26/08 08:01 PM
Re: '63 Midget research
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Loc: Hudsonville, Michigan, USA
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I'm in west Michigan, Hudsonville, near Grand Rapids, right near University Motors really (30 miles away from them?). I wasn't going to buy it until my wife and sons put me over the top. Don't get me wrong, it's a very straight little Midget but I should have held out for more for my money. Alright, time to suck it up. Tranny rebuild time (or swap rather, I might be able to handle a swap, not a rebuild!) Funny, the biggest issue with my '75 Midget was weak tranny and here I am again.
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#461363 - 05/26/08 09:13 PM
Re: '63 Midget research
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Yoda
Registered: 11/02/03
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Loc: Louisville KY
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Nope, most people prefer the A-series engine and chrome bumpers over the 1500 triumph motor and rubber bumpers. You made a good choice. Join the spridgets mailing list at autox.team.net . I think there are several people on that list in your area.
I know very little about the ribcase transmission, so your problem might be a simple fix. However, it sounds like you'll have to pull the tranny to take a look.
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#461368 - 05/26/08 09:22 PM
Re: '63 Midget research
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Jedi Trainee
Registered: 12/08/06
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Loc: Hudsonville, Michigan, USA
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Tell me what to look for I'll go look! The engine is a 10cc BTW. I'll go check the gearbox. You'd think it'd do something before it died. There is some judder on take off too though. I suppose I could drain and refill (20w-50?) Just for fun. It really is a straight little car, no rust to speak of, only a few chips and scratches but I'm sitting here feeling pretty screwed. I put all my eggs in one basket I guess.
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#461380 - 05/26/08 09:41 PM
Re: '63 Midget research
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Here's some pictures. more picures and gearbox shot Taken by my 7 year old. Last one I just took now showing the gearbox from the engine bay. Bummer. Just goes to show you can do everything "right" and have issues. I drove it for a good 20 minutes and idled it in the driveway and crawled all over it. Never missed a beat, never dripped, all was golden. No reason not to snap it up, but for a tiny voice telling me to wait a day or two (which would have been really inconvenient). When my wife told me how much she loved it I decided to get it. Anyway enough. What am I going to expect to have to pay for a gear box swap? I can't seriously expect to do it myself. Maybe I'll offer to sell it back to the seller for $500 less just to get out of it.
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#461386 - 05/26/08 09:51 PM
Re: '63 Midget research
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Registered: 11/02/03
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That would be a ribcase tranny. They are fairly easy to find.
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#461390 - 05/26/08 09:56 PM
Re: '63 Midget research
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But haven't most all of them Tony? I mean clutches and throw out bearing only last so long.
The real question is.... has any one rebuilt the transmission. If so, then the problem might be a simple loose shifter arm.
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#461408 - 05/26/08 10:53 PM
Re: '63 Midget research
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Why it's lovely. You done good.
Shucks a tranny rebuild is not that big a deal, couple of hours out and maybe 4 back in. With the rebuild in the middle.
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#461414 - 05/26/08 11:12 PM
Re: '63 Midget research
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I don't know what I'll do. I have tons of tenacity but I also know my limits. I do not have the facilities for an engine pull, let alone the experience. And frankly, after spending countless hours on that Opel, I don't know if I have it left in me. I wanted to spend all I had on as good a car as I could get so I could just enjoy it as it was. Yes I could do it but it'd take me weeks and only 50/50 chance I would screw it up and have to do it again. I'll stop by University Motors and see how much $$ it'd take to have them do it. Crap. Seller gave me the impression he didn't really want to part with it. As much as it kills me, I'm willing to give him a few hundred to take it back and let me off the hook. Maybe it'd be wise to take the car itself into University for a proper diagnosis. I let it cool down and tried again but where 4th should be, there is no where to go, just not there.
PS Loose shifter arm? Something simple like that would sure be nice!
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#461422 - 05/27/08 05:20 AM
Re: '63 Midget research
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Jeff, don't be so quick to throw in the towel. A tranny swap isn't the end of the world, and good units are available in the $200 range. I wish MY '63 looked that good! Jeff
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#461433 - 05/27/08 06:12 AM
Re: '63 Midget research
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That's a very pretty car! when I was researching my last car (the Intrepid that is) I read somewhere that when you buy a used car, you can count on $1000 in the first 6 months of deferred work the PO knew about but didn't want to do. still looks like a blast once a few things are sorted. And, BTW an engine pull on a Midget is a driveway job and about 26 nut & bolt connections
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#461462 - 05/27/08 08:07 AM
Re: '63 Midget research
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I like the dash. It's OK. And the rest of the car is just beautiful. If it's only a trans, of course just change the oil first, but I've also had a few ribcases give up on me. On that car, the engine and trans are easy to remove, and a used or rebuilt trans isn't hard to find... in America.
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#461472 - 05/27/08 08:22 AM
Re: '63 Midget research
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And if you can read a decent manual, these trannies are a pretty straightforward rebuild...nothing too complicated...Could be something as simple as a worn detent ball or worn out synchro. I think a loose shifter fork would give you problems getting into gear as well as popping out of gear. I would recomend finding a replacement tranny, and then rebuilding the one in the car at your liesure! You will learn how the tranny works and still get to enjoy usage of the car in the meantime and wind up with a spare tranny when you are done!
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#461476 - 05/27/08 08:24 AM
Re: '63 Midget research
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And if you can read a decent manual, these trannies are a pretty straightforward rebuild...nothing too complicated...Could be something as simple as a worn detent ball or worn out synchro. I think a loose shifter fork would give you problems getting into gear as well as popping out of gear. I would recomend finding a replacement tranny, and then rebuilding the one in the car at your liesure! You will learn how the tranny works and still get to enjoy usage of the car in the meantime and wind up with a spare tranny when you are done!
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59 Bugeye "Ol' Bug-I" 69 Sprite "Good judgment comes from experience, and a lot of that comes from bad judgment." Will Rogers
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#461502 - 05/27/08 09:35 AM
Re: '63 Midget research
[Re: jvandyke]
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Great Pumpkin
Registered: 11/16/02
Posts: 21175
Loc: Gurley, Alabama, USA
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I don't know what I'll do. I have tons of tenacity but I also know my limits. I do not have the facilities for an engine pull, let alone the experience. And frankly, after spending countless hours on that Opel, I don't know if I have it left in me. I wanted to spend all I had on as good a car as I could get so I could just enjoy it as it was. Yes I could do it but it'd take me weeks and only 50/50 chance I would screw it up and have to do it again. I'll stop by University Motors and see how much $$ it'd take to have them do it. Crap. Seller gave me the impression he didn't really want to part with it. As much as it kills me, I'm willing to give him a few hundred to take it back and let me off the hook. Maybe it'd be wise to take the car itself into University for a proper diagnosis. I let it cool down and tried again but where 4th should be, there is no where to go, just not there.
PS Loose shifter arm? Something simple like that would sure be nice! Where exactly are you located?
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#461508 - 05/27/08 09:48 AM
Re: '63 Midget research
[Re: tony barnhill]
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Yoda
Registered: 11/02/03
Posts: 4652
Loc: Louisville KY
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Long thread, but earlier he said
"west Michigan, Hudsonville, near Grand Rapids, right near University Motors"
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#461510 - 05/27/08 09:52 AM
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