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#444603 - 04/11/08 07:53 AM
Missing at speed?
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Registered: 04/11/08
Posts: 39
Loc: South African
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998 engine. Accelerates smoothly to 50/60 miles an hour and cruises there with no issues - as long as the road is flat. As soon as you hit a hill and place more load on the engine it starts to "misfire". I place it in inverted commas as I am not sure this is what it is doing - but that's how it feels. The following has been checked/adjusted/replaced - valve clearances, float, dashpot oil, points and condensor replaced with magnetronic, dizzy cap, rotor, spark plugs, carb mixture, timing (not sure if I got this right, hence previous post).
The problem occured before all these changes and persists. Someone has suggested that the petrol/gas tank may not be breathing adequately? Can anyone help?
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#444658 - 04/11/08 09:19 AM
Re: Missing at speed?
[Re: Darrel]
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Jedi Warrior
Registered: 05/20/02
Posts: 583
Loc: Richmond,Texas
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Does it "misfire" if you try to accelerate quickly in top gear from (say) 60mph to 70 mph, on the flat? I'm trying to ascertain if it's the load or the incline that's giving the problem.
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#444661 - 04/11/08 09:28 AM
Re: Missing at speed?
[Re: Roger]
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Registered: 04/11/08
Posts: 39
Loc: South African
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Will test this weekend and let you know.
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#445135 - 04/12/08 02:02 PM
Re: Missing at speed?
[Re: Darrel]
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Obi Wan
Registered: 03/28/05
Posts: 2491
Loc: Durham, North Carolina, USA
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While your commenting on the test... does the misfire feel like the car has hit a wall and won't go faster? Does the car jerk forward and backward slightly when you reach the point of misfire?
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#445675 - 04/14/08 02:18 AM
Re: Missing at speed?
[Re: dklawson]
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Registered: 04/11/08
Posts: 39
Loc: South African
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Thanks for your comments to date. I did the test this weekend - accelerates fine on a flat road. Tried 40 to 70, 50 to 70, 60 to 70 - she was flawless. But climbs a hill...
I think the best description of the problem - is like some thing grabbing hold of the car from behind and pulling and letting go, pulling letting go... As soon as the hill in conquered it smooths out again.
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#445703 - 04/14/08 07:29 AM
Re: Missing at speed?
[Re: Darrel]
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Obi Wan
Registered: 03/28/05
Posts: 2491
Loc: Durham, North Carolina, USA
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Pulling and letting go and only under load is what I was looking for.
This may not be a misfire. Before you start replacing ignition parts look over the fuel system as it may be the beginnings of fuel starvation. Make sure the pickup screen in the tank is not covered in muck. Look for inline filters from the tank to the pump and from the pump to the carb(s). Replace any filters you find. Also check for debris in the bottom of the float bowl(s) and clean out the float valves to make sure their seats are clean.
I haven't seen a fuel pump fail to delivery the right amount of gas but I suppose it's possible. Do you have the mechanical pump, an electric SU, or an aftermarket electric (like a Facet pump)?
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#445716 - 04/14/08 08:12 AM
Re: Missing at speed?
[Re: dklawson]
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Registered: 04/11/08
Posts: 39
Loc: South African
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It is an electric fuel pump - not sure if it is SU or other. Is there an ideal/best make to install? It was my next set of check to go through the fuel system. Thanks for the tips on where to look and what to do!
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#445787 - 04/14/08 11:14 AM
Re: Missing at speed?
[Re: Darrel]
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Obi Wan
Registered: 03/28/05
Posts: 2491
Loc: Durham, North Carolina, USA
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I'd start by looking for the filters before thinking about a new pump. If there are plugged filters anywhere, a new pump won't fix a delivery problem.
The original SU is a great pump with an undeserved reputation. They are rebuildable using a manual and kits that can be ordered from the "usual sources". If you're not interested in the original pump, the common replacement is the metal, rectangular Facet pump in the low pressure range (up to about 3 PSI). These are available from most auto parts stores (sometimes sold under the Facet name, sometimes labeled Purolator). Depending on the source I've seen the price range from $25 to $50 for the Facet pump.
The link below is for a picture of my car's Facet pump. My pump has been repainted silver. Out of the box these pumps are yellow chromate colored. http://home.mindspring.com/~dklawson/minipics/facet05.jpg
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#445891 - 04/14/08 04:55 PM
Re: Missing at speed?
[Re: dklawson]
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Registered: 03/28/07
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Loc: Millstadt, IL
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If it happens only going up hills, check the float positions. Not getting proper amount of fuel on grades, but is OK going level and down. Move the float slightly and retest until you are good to go all the time. May not take much. I'm going on the hill up only time! Assuming no less than a 1/4 tank of fuel.
Edited by LarryK (04/14/08 04:56 PM)
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#446110 - 04/15/08 05:16 AM
Re: Missing at speed?
[Re: LarryK]
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Registered: 04/11/08
Posts: 39
Loc: South African
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I had a look under the car yesterday. It is a Facet pump - 4 psi. Looks and sounds ok and giving a good stream of fuel at the engine. Will fiddle with the float on the weekend.
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#452678 - 05/01/08 10:36 PM
Re: Missing at speed?
[Re: Darrel]
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Jedi Knight
Registered: 05/10/07
Posts: 1352
Loc: Chicago, IL
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Any update for us?? How has it been running??
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#454145 - 05/06/08 05:15 AM
Re: Missing at speed?
[Re: Silverghost]
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Registered: 04/11/08
Posts: 39
Loc: South African
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Errmm... The problem seems to have disappeared! About 2 weeks after posting this I took her for a drive again. Sailed up and down and along with not a hint of an issue!
This is not to say it won't come back so all suggestions are archived to follow if the problem "reappears".
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#454360 - 05/06/08 02:06 PM
Re: Missing at speed?
[Re: Silverghost]
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Jedi Knight
Registered: 06/14/06
Posts: 1293
Loc: South Carolina, USA
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I like a car that fixes itself. Those are keepers.
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#454506 - 05/06/08 08:48 PM
Re: Missing at speed?
[Re: roofman]
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Obi Wan
Registered: 03/28/05
Posts: 2491
Loc: Durham, North Carolina, USA
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I had a Toyota that fixed itself. Then it had a relapse when I was going through a mountain pass in the middle of the night on snow covered two lane road without lights. Lost power, bucked and jerked, coughed and died as I slid sideways into a snow bank. The poor old girl had a fuel filter plugged full of rust and scale. Fortunately I happened to have a length of old fuel hose in the boot and bypassed the filter... no hose clamps... I had to wire the hose onto the metal fuel pipes.
My point is, be prepared for the problem to come back unless it was associated with something transient... like a bad tank of gas.
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