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    Re: Back to TR3 Sidescreens

    Thanks Jesus. I'll check to see if one of the Schlegal channels fits and let you know.

    The plastic reinforcement looks like it was glued to the rear, or inside, or the front arch. A way to visualize it is that the front arch pinches the reinforcement against the windscreen support when the door is closed.

    That's a great question Bob! It looks like I'll have around $250 invested in the rebuild, compared to $629+shipping to send them off. I'll let you know the final at the end of the job, and whether I think it's worth the effort!?!

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    I have been looking carefully at the original covers I pulled from the frames (unfortunately not carefully and in bad condition) and here are some evidences:

    - The interior side of the cover is made of two pieces, one is the “bag” for the lower side, and the other is the wrapping for the window arch.

    - The shape of the wrapping seems to have a “jockey-stick” shape (made up by one long straight portion and one curved). The curved portion fits the rear curved window arc. To match the shape of the front corner of the window arch, the straight portion of the wrapping is folded on itself and stitched. I assume that this is done to optimize the use of vinyl.

    - The outer side is in one piece (probably for appearance and to avoid water ingress through the seams).

    I thought that the usual way of covering the frames implied to sew the outer edge in the arch with the cover over the frame, but this is not necessary. Some vendors (John Skinner) sell the cover already finished, except the stitching over the front cobex window. Their instructions sheet explains how to do the whole job.

    Sorry for my English limitations in describing the details.

    Jesús

    PS: Regarding the cost and savings of the whole job, there is an intermediate option, that probably optimizes the cost/effort: buying the covers already sewn and continue from there. But then the fun is dramatically reduced.

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    Re: Back to TR3 Sidescreens

    Aaaww...wish I had seen the "already sewn" option. Now I am pretty committed...

    After the sand blasting, I test fit the frames on the car. this was quite a bit harder than I had imagined. They have to be bent quite a bit to get the pressure and spacing correct where the frame meets the door, rear quarter panel, and the windscreen brace. Here are a few of the shots.


    This is the general view.


    The windscreen brace fit. I set it so it has a good couple pounds of pressure when the door is closed, so it doesn't flap in the breeze.


    This lower brace was the most difficult to get right. Note I used tape to keep from harming the paint and leather as I worked. It took several trials and removals to beat on the anvil till I was happy.


    And the rear at the quarter panel.

    The final part of the fit was to re-weld the right screen where the front of the arch had cracked off from the channel section. That was a 5 minute job...then clean out the garage for painting again!
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    Re: Back to TR3 Sidescreens

    Once happy with the fit, I took them out to spray. First coat was a grey epoxy primer...color chosen in case the top coat chipped, it would not be too obvious.

    Since the frames were originally a silver/grey color, I decided to just make them body color, so the primer is topped with PPG DBC silver and 2002 Clear coat. All coats were kept thin, as the screens will be handled a lot, and thick paint chips a lot easier.




    Now I have to be vary twiet...so the Mrs. doesn't catch me using her good sewing machine!
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    Very nice work John....
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    Re: Back to TR3 Sidescreens

    John,

    Thanks again for posting so much information.

    Having done this job, I highly recommend fitting the frames on the car with the top-hood erected. You should ensure that the window arch fits under the flap provided in each sides of the hood.

    Jesús

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    Re: Back to TR3 Sidescreens

    As a probable improvement to the original sidescreens structure, I have added an aluminum sheet to the lower brace. This layout should give more stiffness to the vinyl skin, and avoid the danger of punching it un- or intentionally. The aluminum sheet is 1 mm thick and is glued to the frame with a structural cement.

    Do you see any downside in this modification?

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    And the sheet glued and painted:
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    Re: Back to TR3 Sidescreens

    Neat idea! It looks like you are right where I am...ready to cover.

    I've been busy at work (hate it when that gets in my way!?), but should start cutting and sewing by this weekend. I have everything lined up except the channel. I've decided I can temporarily use the old channel if I have to till TRF gets it in. I can't get a confirmation on any of the other sources.

    Your frames came out great!

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    Keep up the good work guys. This will be a later project for my own car. I figure if I can sew the seats, I can do this.

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    Re: Back to TR3 Sidescreens

    John,

    Here is another source for the window channel (in UK):

    www.holden.co.uk

    Search for “glazing channel” or "channel".

    The convenient channel should be about 14 mm wide and closest to 10 mm high, and flexible, at least for the window arch portion.

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    Re: Back to TR3 Sidescreens

    John,

    One more source for all sort of channel dimensions (at least in the catalog) and this one in PA:

    http://www.restorationspecialties.co...og%20ebook.pdf

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    Re: Back to TR3 Sidescreens

    I'm back on the job!

    Jesus, thanks again for the channel link. They were very nice and are sending a package of samples to choose from. If one works out I will be sure to let you know. These guys had heard of the TR3, unlike some of the British shops I have been asking!?!

    So, to start things off, I unrolled the vinyl on the floor with the fabric side up, laid the frames on that, and then traced the shape of the frames onto the vinyl. Of note, it only takes 1-1/2 yard of the vinyl to cut the entire set of patterns out. Here is what it takes:

    2 large patterns for the entire outer cover.
    2 short patterns for the inside, that only go up to the lower channel
    2 rear and upper channel patterns
    2 front frame patterns
    4 little splash flaps
    2 snap straps

    Since the fabric was black, a normal pen or pencil would not work to trace, so I had to use a silver "paint" pen. I first traced the exact shape, inside and out of the frame, and then added a border to allow room for sewing.


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    Re: Back to TR3 Sidescreens

    Sorry, I picked a thumb above



    The first stitching is to sew the splash flaps onto the lower inner covers. These are cut out using my Wife's pinking shears, which make that cool zig-zag edge on the original flaps.



    After practice on scrap, I decided the stitches best for this are 4.5mm spacing with the tension as tight as you can get it. Most materials will pucker with high tension, but this vinyl is too tough to pucker ever. The thread is upholstery thread from Hobby Lobby...very strong thread.
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    Now it was time to pull the old covering out of the trash. I used the old covers to mark the angles and locations for the seams to sew the 3 pieces together for the inner cover. These are not terribly critical, as long as the seams line up with the corners of the window channels.





    Then I used the old covers to mark the slits for the mounting arms.

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    Re: Back to TR3 Sidescreens

    Now it's back to the sewing machine. Step one was to sew the 3 inside cover pieces together along the lines marked above. I used the tracings on the outside cover to line everything up properly. In other words, the one piece outside cover makes a pattern to line up the inside cover parts.



    Now it was time to start making the cover into a bag. I placed the inside and outside covers together, vinyl to vinyl, and stitched a single line along the line traced around the lower frame. At this point the stitching is only along the bottom, not the upper channel.


    Here the "bag" is turned right side out for the first trial fit. one bag fit perfect...the other had a loose place, so, I just ran an extra line of stitching to take in that area...no stitches removed, just added an extra. Once happy, I trimmed the extra material to within 1/8" of the stitches.
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    Now I was faced with the channel. This is tricky for several reasons. First, there is the weater lip.



    The bag comes back off the frame at this point. To make the weather lip, you have to measure the material exactly 1/2" larger than the frame size. You then have to make 3 successive lines of stitches.

    1). With the material inside out (vinyl to vinyl) the first stitch is made 1/8" from the edge of the material.

    2). The material is turned right side out, so now the first stitch is hidden. The second stitch is once again run 1/8" from the edge of the material.

    3). The final stitch is now run a hair farther than 1/4" from the edge of the material.

    That completes the stitching for the cover!
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    Re: Back to TR3 Sidescreens

    This picture shows the inner cover channel area laying on the outer cover. You will notice that the outer cover is 1/2" taller than the inner. This is because the outer cover wraps around the top of the frame to the inside edge.



    The problem here is that you cannot sew a larger piece of material (the outer cover) to a smaller piece ( the inner cover) without puckering the larger. It just won't work! I was totally stumped. After studying the stitches on the original covers for a couple days, trying to solve the conundrum, it finally occurred to me. Vinyl stretches!

    The solution is to stitch the channel to the size of the inside (smaller) cover, and trim the excess off the larger outer cover. That's what I did. The corners were then heated with a heat gun to stretch the outer cover around the top of the channel.


    And here's how it turned out.
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    Re: Back to TR3 Sidescreens

    So here is where I am. The covers fit great and were a lot easier to sew than I thought they would be. Next, the material needs to be glued to the outside of the channels. Then it's time to find new fuzzy channels...hopefully that sample package arrives soon!

    The notable part is that the covers can be entirely stitched off the frames...and with the Wife's machine...(whisper, please)! The only stitch that will require an industrial machine will be the one that goes thru the forward window.






    More to come later....

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    Re: Back to TR3 Sidescreens

    Great Job!

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